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Re: LOL at the article
Posted By: SlithDate: 9/20/06 8:21 a.m.

In Response To: Re: LOL at the article (Peptuck)

: My point herein is that consistency is something that inherently defines
: reality in a game world. What we are looking at is not the same type of
: inconsistency, but rather inconsistency in general. If I shoot that Brute
: in the head and he dies, then logically any Brute I shoot in the head will
: die, but alas, Tartarus does not. If my rocket destroys that Wraith, which
: is itself a heavily armored tank, then logically that lightly armored
: Warthog should therefore be just as easily destroyed. But alas, it is not.
: The fact that the Warthog has always survived the rocket is irrelevant;
: logic and basic understanding should tell a player that if the rocket
: kills a tank, it should kill a light vehicle. When a rocket fails to kill
: an LRV but kills a tank handily, it clashes with established knowledge and
: is inconsistent with the real world. This logical inconsistency throws all
: the rules out the window as handily as direct inconsistency.

Uh... no it doesn't. "Established knowledge" would be that Rockets do not damage LRV's. It doesn't matter if it makes logical sense compared to the real world or not. The player goes through the game with the knowledge that a warthog will consistently not blow up when hit by a rocket.

: While direct inconsistency (Brute not dying when shot in head) is
: semantically different from logical inconsistency (Warthog surviving
: tank-killing rocket) both are inconsistencies. Just in differing ways. And
: inconsistency kills immersion.

Yeah, different ways, but one kills immersion, and the other does not. The more inconsistent, the less immersion in that gameworld. Arbitrary boss battles that can only be completing in one predefined way are not consistent with the gameplay we've had previously. Thus they ruin immersion and make you realize you are in fact, just playing a game. A warthog that doesn't explode from being hit by a rocket doesn't ruin consistency in the game. There's never a moment where it WILL explode. Likewise, in Halo 2 there is never a moment it WILL NOT explode. It's consistent, and it helps immerse you in the gameplay.

: The basic fact of the matter is this: Halo and Halo 2 are both video games.
: And in video games, gameplay trumps reason. Both games contain elements
: that break immersion, just in different ways. Some people notice different
: breaks in logic and reality more readily than others. E.g. a lot of people
: dislike the direct inconsistency of bosses. I, on the other hand, am not
: bothered by them. On the other hand, I am terribly bothered by Halo's
: pistol and the indestructible human vehicles, while others are clearly not
: at all bothered by these logical inconsistencies.

Yeah well, the boss battles are not very good gameplay to begin with. Certainly didn't help with the immersion. Anyways, I'm rather surprised you'd be bothered by the pistol and indestructable vehicles. I play the game to get away from the real world, I do not need real world guns and physics and graphics to immerse me in a game. I don't even consider that immersion. Besides, they may be 'logically' inconsistent when compared with the real world, but they are absolutely logically consistent in the game world itself.


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LOL at the articleWortWortWort 9/18/06 8:23 p.m.
     Re: LOL at the articleHawaiian Pig 9/18/06 8:28 p.m.
           Re: LOL at the articleUnsc Trafalgar 9/18/06 8:33 p.m.
                 Re: LOL at the articleCowOnTheNews 9/18/06 8:38 p.m.
                       Re: LOL at the articleSlith 9/20/06 12:56 a.m.
                             Re: LOL at the articleAce Heart 9/20/06 1:13 a.m.
                                   Re: LOL at the articleCocopjojo 9/20/06 1:21 a.m.
                                   Re: LOL at the articleSlith 9/20/06 1:52 a.m.
                                         Re: LOL at the articlePeptuck 9/20/06 2:10 a.m.
                                               Re: LOL at the articleAce Heart 9/20/06 2:53 a.m.
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           Re: LOL at the articleSaint 9/18/06 8:41 p.m.
                 Re: LOL at the articleCowOnTheNews 9/18/06 8:49 p.m.
                       Re: LOL at the articlemasterskill 9/18/06 8:57 p.m.
                             Re: LOL at the articleSlith 9/20/06 1:07 a.m.
                                   Re: LOL at the articleAce Heart 9/20/06 2:28 a.m.
                                         Re: LOL at the articleSlith 9/20/06 2:31 a.m.
                                         Re: LOL at the articlePeptuck 9/20/06 2:33 a.m.
                                   Re: LOL at the articlePeptuck 9/20/06 2:45 a.m.
                                         Re: LOL at the articleSlith 9/20/06 2:54 a.m.
                                               Re: LOL at the articlePeptuck 9/20/06 3:07 a.m.
                                                     Re: LOL at the articleSlith 9/20/06 8:21 a.m.
                 When You Think About it...Mintz 9/18/06 9:14 p.m.
                       Re: When You Think About it...Evil Squid 9/18/06 9:20 p.m.
                       Re: When You Think About it...Unsc Trafalgar 9/18/06 9:20 p.m.
                       Re: When You Think About it...Echoes 9/18/06 9:22 p.m.
                             Re: When You Think About it...CowOnTheNews 9/18/06 9:27 p.m.
                             You don't have to punch Regret.jdogmoney 9/19/06 10:00 p.m.
                                   Re: You don't have to punch Regret.CowOnTheNews 9/19/06 10:58 p.m.
                                         Re: You don't have to punch Regret.jdogmoney 9/20/06 12:24 a.m.
           Re: LOL at the articleShortRoundMcfly 9/18/06 8:51 p.m.
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                                                     Re: Boss fightsCaptain Spark 9/19/06 8:55 a.m.
                                                           Just kidding. *NM*Captain Spark 9/19/06 8:57 a.m.
                                                     Re: Boss fightsCaptain Spark 9/19/06 9:47 a.m.
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                                   Re: Boss fightsUrsusArctos 9/19/06 7:04 a.m.
                                         Re: Boss fightsNarcogen 9/19/06 7:25 a.m.
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                                                     Re: Boss fightsSep7imus [subnova] 9/19/06 7:57 a.m.
                                                           Re: Boss fightsJillybean 9/19/06 8:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Boss fightsLouis Wu 9/19/06 8:43 a.m.
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                                                                             Re: Boss fightsLouis Wu 9/19/06 9:24 a.m.
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                                                     Boss candidatesNarcogen 9/19/06 8:37 a.m.
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                                                                 Re: Boss candidatesLouis Wu 9/19/06 9:08 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Boss candidatesUrsusArctos 9/19/06 9:44 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Boss candidatesNarcogen 9/19/06 9:32 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Boss candidatesMister Froggy 9/19/06 9:44 a.m.
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                                                                             Re: Boss candidatesLouis Wu 9/19/06 10:15 a.m.
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                                                                                         Re: Boss candidatesCount Zero 9/19/06 12:49 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Boss candidatesWado SG 9/19/06 1:05 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Boss candidatesscarab 9/19/06 2:18 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Boss candidatesscarab 9/19/06 2:40 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Boss candidatesPeptuck 9/20/06 3:32 a.m.
                                                                                                                 intentional or not?scarab 9/20/06 7:47 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: intentional or not?Peptuck 9/20/06 10:16 a.m.
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                                                                                         Re: Boss candidatesNarcogen 9/19/06 10:14 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Boss candidatesNarcogen 9/19/06 9:30 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Boss candidatesUrsusArctos 9/19/06 11:32 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Boss candidatesNarcogen 9/20/06 12:12 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Boss candidatesPeptuck 9/20/06 3:43 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Boss candidatesDocument 9/19/06 11:42 p.m.
                                                                       How is 343 GS tortured?Jillybean 9/19/06 3:03 p.m.
                                                                             He has that damn song running through his domeGryphonosiris 9/19/06 3:14 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: He has that damn song running through his domeAce Heart 9/19/06 4:10 p.m.
                                                                             Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/06 5:18 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: How is 343 GS tortured?CowOnTheNews 9/19/06 5:22 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/06 5:43 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Jillybean 9/19/06 6:25 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Bry 9/19/06 6:51 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Endbringer 9/19/06 6:57 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Ace Heart 9/19/06 7:41 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Omega 9/19/06 11:17 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Bry 9/19/06 11:46 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Omega 9/19/06 11:59 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Endbringer 9/19/06 11:59 p.m.
                                                                                                     Clarity and graceNarcogen 9/19/06 10:32 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Clarity and graceJillybean 9/20/06 4:56 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Clarity and graceNarcogen 9/20/06 7:34 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Clarity and graceBry 9/20/06 8:59 a.m.
                                                                                                                             ^ HGN spoilers *NM*Document 9/20/06 12:04 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Bry 9/19/06 5:53 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/19/06 6:08 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Ace Heart 9/19/06 6:13 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: How is 343 GS tortured?Bry 9/19/06 6:14 p.m.
                                                                             Torture wasn't necessaryNarcogen 9/19/06 10:28 p.m.
                                                                                   Sparky can't lie or withold?scarab 9/20/06 1:17 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Sparky can't lie or withold?scarab 9/20/06 1:36 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Torture wasn't necessaryJillybean 9/20/06 4:58 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Torture wasn't necessaryNarcogen 9/20/06 8:02 a.m.
                                                                                               Still out to get me *NM*Jillybean 9/20/06 1:18 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Torture wasn't necessaryAce Heart 9/20/06 8:54 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Torture wasn't necessaryAce Heart 9/20/06 9:20 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Torture wasn't necessaryStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/20/06 6:08 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Torture wasn't necessaryAce Heart 9/20/06 6:32 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Boss candidatesPeptuck 9/19/06 11:59 a.m.
                                                           Guilty SparkMiguel Chavez 9/19/06 9:29 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Guilty SparkNarcogen 9/19/06 9:35 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Guilty Sparkscarab 9/20/06 1:21 a.m.
                                               Re: Boss fightsUrsusArctos 9/19/06 8:51 a.m.
                                                     Re: Boss fightsLouis Wu 9/19/06 8:57 a.m.
                                                           Re: Boss fightsUrsusArctos 9/19/06 9:11 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Boss fightsLouis Wu 9/19/06 9:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Boss fightsNarcogen 9/19/06 9:37 a.m.
                                                                 Definetly in the Christmasy time of year.Endbringer 9/19/06 4:09 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Definetly in the Christmasy time of year.Document 9/19/06 11:32 p.m.
                                                           what?hminn 9/19/06 6:30 p.m.
                                                                 Re: what?Louis Wu 9/20/06 6:09 a.m.
           Re: LOL at the articlePeptuck 9/18/06 10:19 p.m.
                 Re: LOL at the articleLouis Wu 9/18/06 11:12 p.m.
                 Re: LOL at the articleDocument 9/20/06 12:17 p.m.
                       Re: LOL at the articleNarcogen 9/20/06 11:46 p.m.
           Re: LOL at the articleNarcogen 9/18/06 10:19 p.m.
           Re: LOL at the articleSlith 9/20/06 12:39 a.m.
     Re: LOL at the articleIbeechu 9/18/06 8:36 p.m.
           Re: LOL at the articleSpartan Jag 9/18/06 9:27 p.m.
           Re: LOL at the articleSlith 9/20/06 1:35 a.m.
     Re: LOL at the articleKiloh Ekim 9/18/06 8:55 p.m.
     Re: LOL at the articlePeptuck 9/18/06 10:11 p.m.
     About boss battles...Mister Froggy 9/18/06 10:23 p.m.
           Re: About boss battles...Peptuck 9/18/06 11:01 p.m.
                 Re: About boss battles...Narcogen 9/19/06 1:17 a.m.
                       Re: About boss battles...xenøs 9/19/06 5:04 a.m.
                             Re: About boss battles...Narcogen 9/19/06 6:02 a.m.
                 Re: About boss battles...Slith 9/20/06 1:39 a.m.
                       Re: About boss battles...Document 9/20/06 12:24 p.m.
     To quote the ending credits:jdogmoney 9/18/06 11:40 p.m.
           Re: To quote the ending credits:owlalf 9/19/06 12:17 a.m.
                 Re: To quote the ending credits:Document 9/19/06 12:25 a.m.
                       Re: To quote the ending credits:Narcogen 9/19/06 3:50 a.m.
                       Re: To quote the ending credits:Document 9/19/06 11:19 a.m.
           Re: To quote the ending credits:Slith 9/20/06 1:40 a.m.
                 Re: To quote the ending credits:Peptuck 9/20/06 3:13 a.m.
                       Re: To quote the ending credits:Slith 9/20/06 8:27 a.m.
                             Re: To quote the ending credits:AT-GNaT 9/20/06 10:37 a.m.



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