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The Future
Posted By: SomethingClever <edmundexley0@yahoo.com>Date: 9/10/06 12:44 a.m.

In Response To: Just awful, Halogen (Dracon1k)

I prefer lurking, but this move merits some comment.

First, Louis Wu's post above is the best and most considered post I've read, and I commend it, particularly because it highlights a key point. Much hay was made when Microsoft initially acquired Bungie. The phrase "selling out" was bandied about with quite a lot of frequency, so much so that it became (I think) an in game joke in Halo. This move by Microsoft, is, I think, some evidence that this criticism carries with it more weight than perhaps anyone previously thought. Does anyone think that if Bungie were in complete control of their IP that they would have done this? It seems unlikely. Sure, the stakes are higher now, but that hardly seems much of defense to a claim that the suits are running the show now. Did Bungie sell out? If selling out means no longer being able to treat your fans the way that you would like to, then it looks like the answer has to be yes. Of course, this all assumes that Bungie didn't authorize or initiate this move--perhaps they did, in which case they are not the kind of company I thought. The Wu post tends to indicate that at some point in the past Bungie would not have done this.

Relatedly, this should give every single fan site or project pause. If Bungie is not calling the shots, then why should some lawyer or executive at Microsoft who cares primarily about maximizing brand value ever let Microsoft's IP be used in a way counter to that maximization? I have a fairish bit of background in IP law. Non-commercial use will not save these projects or sites, I'm afraid, even if they have the resources for the legal battle. Note, of course, that this page alone appears to have more than a few IP violations.

I see that a few Bungie community moderators have chimed in with their opinions, but they see oddly non-responsive. There isn't much of an argument that Microsoft/Bungie is well within its rights--it clearly is. What is Bungie's role in all this? Instead of what has seemed like an unstated acceptance of many of these projects, will Bungie issue an official policy? One of the moderators says that we cannot "fault" someone for protecting their intellectual property. This may true as a statement of general principle, but it is not true of a company that has at least paid lip-service to supporting fans in a variety of projects.


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Just awful, HalogenDracon1k 9/8/06 10:15 p.m.
     That sucks. Hard,Ename Nep 9/8/06 10:18 p.m.
     After all that work? Dude. That sucks. *NM*CowOnTheNews 9/8/06 10:18 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenDracon1k 9/8/06 10:29 p.m.
           *long inhale*NartFOpc 9/8/06 10:32 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, Halogeneiii 9/8/06 10:55 p.m.
     Wait a second...Saint 9/8/06 10:58 p.m.
           Re: Wait a second...Socrates 9/8/06 11:07 p.m.
                 Re: Wait a second...Usul 9/9/06 10:24 a.m.
                       Something to chew onSilent Hunter 9/9/06 11:45 a.m.
                             Re: Something to chew onBlueTyphoid 9/9/06 9:20 p.m.
     Cherished MartyrsAngelicLionheart 9/8/06 11:31 p.m.
           Re: Cherished MartyrsDispraiser 9/8/06 11:56 p.m.
           Can someone enlighten me?serpx 9/9/06 12:36 a.m.
                 Re: Can someone enlighten me?Dracon1k 9/9/06 2:24 a.m.
                       Re: Can someone enlighten me?HipboyScott 9/9/06 3:12 a.m.
                       Re: Can someone enlighten me?Silent Hunter 9/9/06 7:13 a.m.
                       That's Probably Exactly It...Mintz 9/9/06 1:46 p.m.
           Re: Cherished MartyrsHawaiian Pig 9/9/06 3:08 a.m.
     The irony is...Frost 9/9/06 12:38 a.m.
           Re: The irony is...Cocopjojo 9/9/06 12:49 a.m.
                 Bungie is Microsoft *NM*Pinkuh 9/9/06 2:49 a.m.
                       But are they?HipboyScott 9/9/06 3:32 a.m.
                             Re: But are they?BlueTyphoid 9/9/06 9:30 p.m.
                       Not exactlyJillybean 9/9/06 5:32 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenChryton 9/9/06 3:00 a.m.
           Re: Just awful, HalogenFrost 9/9/06 3:43 a.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenSlimby 9/9/06 4:10 a.m.
           Re: Just awful, HalogenMarcus117 9/9/06 6:43 a.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenSc4Freak (From Halogen) 9/9/06 7:39 a.m.
     Re: Just awful, Halogenswelnet 9/9/06 8:07 a.m.
           Re: Just awful, Halogenvlad3163 9/9/06 2:59 p.m.
     Request for Comment from Bungie...Socrates 9/9/06 9:20 a.m.
           Re: Request for Comment from Bungie...Silent Hunter 9/9/06 9:41 a.m.
           What Bungie would sayAngelicLionheart 9/9/06 9:43 a.m.
           Re: Request for Comment from Bungie...SketchFactor 9/9/06 5:23 p.m.
     Rumour Debunking58 9/9/06 12:26 p.m.
           Re: Rumour DebunkingDocument 10/2/06 10:13 p.m.
     So...what's actually stopping you?AfroRyan 9/9/06 12:38 p.m.
           Re: So...what's actually stopping you?AfroRyan 9/9/06 12:46 p.m.
                 Re: So...what's actually stopping you?Sep7imus [subnova] 9/9/06 1:07 p.m.
           Re: So...what's actually stopping you?Shishka 9/9/06 1:57 p.m.
                 Simple solution!Saint 9/9/06 3:53 p.m.
                 Re: So...what's actually stopping you?AfroRyan 9/9/06 6:45 p.m.
                       WTF is wrong with you? *NM*Usul 9/10/06 6:36 p.m.
                             WTF is wrong with YOU!?AfroRyan 9/10/06 11:08 p.m.
                                   Re: WTF is wrong with YOU!?Louis Wu 9/11/06 4:49 a.m.
                                   Re: WTF is wrong with YOU!?Usul 9/11/06 6:43 p.m.
                 Halo UT mod still active!?Mikemc 9/18/06 7:27 p.m.
           Re: So...what's actually stopping you?Peptuck 9/9/06 3:01 p.m.
     Halogen = ThievesFrost 9/9/06 2:28 p.m.
           Re: Halogen = ThievesShishka 9/9/06 2:31 p.m.
                 Bummer.SketchFactor 9/9/06 4:54 p.m.
                       Re: Bummer.Frost 9/9/06 5:46 p.m.
                       What more could be saidBry 9/9/06 6:36 p.m.
                       After three years.Michael Finn 9/11/06 4:08 p.m.
                             Re: After three years.Sep7imus [subnova] 9/11/06 8:25 p.m.
                                   Re: After three years.Black Guard 9/12/06 6:27 a.m.
                                         Re: After three years.MinorThreat 9/12/06 5:33 p.m.
                             Re: After three years.MinorThreat 9/11/06 10:01 p.m.
                                   Re: After three years.Bry 9/12/06 5:08 a.m.
                 Re: Halogen = ThievesLarrion 9/28/06 2:31 a.m.
                       Re: Halogen = ThievesVlad3163 9/28/06 8:46 a.m.
           Re: Halogen = ThievesRecon#54 9/9/06 2:52 p.m.
                 Re: Halogen = Thievesvlad3163 9/9/06 3:06 p.m.
                       Re: Halogen = ThievesRecon#54 9/9/06 3:14 p.m.
                       Re: Halogen = ThievesSketchFactor 9/9/06 5:15 p.m.
                             Re: Halogen = ThievesWhiteRaBbit 9/9/06 7:24 p.m.
                                   Re: Halogen = ThievesBry 9/9/06 7:47 p.m.
                 Re: Halogen = ThievesFrost 9/9/06 3:33 p.m.
                       Re: Halogen = ThievesRecon#54 9/9/06 3:56 p.m.
                             Leaving the keys inFrost 9/9/06 4:39 p.m.
                                   Re: Leaving the keys inRocketMoose 9/9/06 4:42 p.m.
                                   Re: Leaving the keys inRecon#54 9/9/06 5:20 p.m.
                                   Re: Leaving the keys inSketchFactor 9/9/06 5:22 p.m.
                             Re: Halogen = ThievesLouis Wu 9/9/06 4:51 p.m.
                                   So Bungie isn't behind this?jdogmoney 9/9/06 5:06 p.m.
                                         Re: So Bungie isn't behind this?Jillybean 9/9/06 5:35 p.m.
                                               Re: So Bungie isn't behind this?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/9/06 7:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Halogen = ThievesMajor Silva 9/9/06 8:38 p.m.
                                         Re: Halogen = ThievesLouis Wu 9/10/06 9:17 a.m.
                                               Re: Halogen = ThievesMajor Silva 9/10/06 9:30 a.m.
                                                     Re: Halogen = ThievesSep7imus [subnova] 9/10/06 3:50 p.m.
                                   Re: Halogen = ThievesNarcogen 9/9/06 10:57 p.m.
                                         Re: Halogen = ThievesLouis Wu 9/10/06 9:29 a.m.
                                               Re: Halogen = ThievesJillybean 9/10/06 10:12 a.m.
                                                     Re: Halogen = ThievesUrsusArctos 9/10/06 10:26 a.m.
                                                           Re: Halogen = ThievesStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/10/06 11:35 a.m.
                                                           Getting a little OTJillybean 9/10/06 12:37 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Getting a little OTUrsusArctos 9/11/06 8:11 a.m.
                                         QuestionEndbringer 9/10/06 12:05 p.m.
                                               Re: QuestionBry 9/10/06 1:27 p.m.
           Re: Halogen = ThievesKP 9/10/06 3:35 a.m.
                 Re: Halogen = ThievesRecon#54 9/10/06 9:32 a.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenBJB 9/9/06 4:13 p.m.
     Bungie must making a Halo RTS next.DarkSim 9/9/06 4:53 p.m.
           Re: Bungie must making a Halo RTS next.Shishka 9/9/06 7:28 p.m.
                 Re: Bungie must making a Halo RTS next.jdogmoney 9/9/06 7:40 p.m.
                 Re: Bungie must making a Halo RTS next.Recon#54 9/9/06 7:58 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenX42-C1 9/9/06 6:53 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, Halogen *NM*DP 9/9/06 9:12 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenBlueTyphoid 9/9/06 9:35 p.m.
     The FutureSomethingClever 9/10/06 12:44 a.m.
           QueryWalshicus 9/10/06 7:09 a.m.
                 Re: QueryLouis Wu 9/10/06 9:57 a.m.
                       Re: QueryWalshicus 9/10/06 10:58 a.m.
                             crapMiguel Chavez 9/10/06 11:17 a.m.
                       Re: QueryMiguel Chavez 9/10/06 11:15 a.m.
                             Re: QueryRecon#54 9/10/06 11:27 a.m.
                                   Re: QueryNarcogen 9/10/06 11:25 p.m.
                             Re: QueryAngelicLionheart 9/10/06 7:21 p.m.
           Re: The FutureLouis Wu 9/10/06 9:50 a.m.
                 Re: The FutureNarcogen 9/10/06 10:11 a.m.
                 Re: The FutureSomethingClever 9/10/06 1:36 p.m.
                       Re: The FutureLouis Wu 9/10/06 2:59 p.m.
                             Re: The FutureBlck 9/10/06 3:04 p.m.
                                   It certainly makes you think twice, doesn't it...BJB 9/10/06 3:18 p.m.
                             Verily.Saint 9/10/06 3:10 p.m.
                                   Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.AngelicLionheart 9/10/06 8:11 p.m.
                                         Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.Recon#54 9/10/06 8:58 p.m.
                                               Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.AngelicLionheart 9/10/06 10:27 p.m.
                                                     Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.Recon#54 9/10/06 11:00 p.m.
                                                           Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.AngelicLionheart 9/10/06 11:54 p.m.
                                         Microsfot E-mailSlith 9/11/06 9:45 a.m.
                             Re: The FutureSomethingClever 9/10/06 4:18 p.m.
                                   Re: The FutureSep7imus [subnova] 9/10/06 4:31 p.m.
                                         Re: The FutureSomethingClever 9/10/06 4:41 p.m.
                                               Re: The FutureSep7imus [subnova] 9/10/06 4:46 p.m.
                                                     Re: The FutureRecon#54 9/10/06 4:54 p.m.
                                                           Re: The FutureSep7imus [subnova] 9/10/06 4:57 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The FutureSaint 9/10/06 6:49 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenMasta Chef 9/10/06 9:10 p.m.



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