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Re: Leaving the keys in
Posted By: SketchFactor <brian@bungie.com>Date: 9/9/06 5:22 p.m.

In Response To: Leaving the keys in (Frost)

: Actually, I think there are plenty of examples throughout their history. Just
: to name a few, MaraMag, MaraMyth, and let's go for the blue whale here:
: Red vs Blue.

: I was the second editor-in-chief of Marathon Magazine backs in days of yore,
: and having spoken with Zartman about the project (granted my doing that
: makes it an exception compared to 99% of fan projects), I was informed it
: was pretty much okay to print whatever I wanted and use Bungie graphics
: and material at my discretion as long as I made sure to give proper
: credit, make sure copyrights were made note of, I did not intentionally
: misrepresent them on anything, and if they requested a change, I'd honor
: that request. We had a decent run, made gratuitous use of Bungie material
: after our graphics artist left to pursue other opportunities, and never
: encountered a problem, never had a request from Bungie to alter anything.

: MaraMyth I think is the biggest and best comparison to Halogen, except they
: went MUCH further than we went into questionable material. For the
: uninformed, they were a Marathon TC (that never reached completion) for
: Myth. They stripped sounds, sprites, text, characters, names, and
: everything from Marathon to use in Myth. Bungie's response? They were at
: FanFests showing off their stuff and going, "Hey, look what these
: guys are doing! Ain't it cool?"

: By contrast, SSP on the other hand used 100% original models, artwork, code,
: and so on and so forth. It was based on Halo, but everything you saw in
: Halogen was made by the Halogen team. The only characters borrowed from
: Halo were minor ones (not even including Master Chief or Sgt. Johnson).
: And while Halo sounds and music were used in the internal alphas as
: placeholders, it was understood from day one they'd never be in the
: release. That's why I was brought onto the team: voice acting for several
: characters, something I do semi-professionally. All vocals, sounds, and
: music were our own creations to specifically avoid direct use of anything
: created by a Bungie artist. It's disappointing that MaraMyth, doing direct
: rips, got support for their actions, but we get legal attention when we're
: tripping over ourselves to avoid reusing anything.

: And then of course there's Red vs Blue. They break the number one cardinal
: rule in that they're making money off of it. At the core of it, they're
: showing recordings of Halo being played, talking over them, and selling
: them for cash. I was taken aback when one of them (can't remember if it
: was Burnie or Gus) mentioned in the Season 1 forums how much they made off
: the Season 1 DVD sales and high-res subscriptions, and I can only imagine
: that's grown dramatically larger with Season 2 and Season 3. That's not
: just leaving the keys in the company van, that's letting you use it for
: personal profit too.

To clear up a common misconception - Bungie Studios and RvB had a formal relationship from day one. They approached us, we thought what they were doing was cool and we found a way to let their project happen. They have an actual license agreement with Microsoft. We have had similar formal arrangements with other fan groups, most recently the fine people at 'This Spartan Life'

Ultimately it's not my call or even Bungie's call, but I do spend my time and energy "fighting" for what's right for our community, even though I don't always win. When Microsoft bought Bungie, they not only bought the studio, they bought Halo.


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Just awful, HalogenDracon1k 9/8/06 10:15 p.m.
     That sucks. Hard,Ename Nep 9/8/06 10:18 p.m.
     After all that work? Dude. That sucks. *NM*CowOnTheNews 9/8/06 10:18 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenDracon1k 9/8/06 10:29 p.m.
           *long inhale*NartFOpc 9/8/06 10:32 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, Halogeneiii 9/8/06 10:55 p.m.
     Wait a second...Saint 9/8/06 10:58 p.m.
           Re: Wait a second...Socrates 9/8/06 11:07 p.m.
                 Re: Wait a second...Usul 9/9/06 10:24 a.m.
                       Something to chew onSilent Hunter 9/9/06 11:45 a.m.
                             Re: Something to chew onBlueTyphoid 9/9/06 9:20 p.m.
     Cherished MartyrsAngelicLionheart 9/8/06 11:31 p.m.
           Re: Cherished MartyrsDispraiser 9/8/06 11:56 p.m.
           Can someone enlighten me?serpx 9/9/06 12:36 a.m.
                 Re: Can someone enlighten me?Dracon1k 9/9/06 2:24 a.m.
                       Re: Can someone enlighten me?HipboyScott 9/9/06 3:12 a.m.
                       Re: Can someone enlighten me?Silent Hunter 9/9/06 7:13 a.m.
                       That's Probably Exactly It...Mintz 9/9/06 1:46 p.m.
           Re: Cherished MartyrsHawaiian Pig 9/9/06 3:08 a.m.
     The irony is...Frost 9/9/06 12:38 a.m.
           Re: The irony is...Cocopjojo 9/9/06 12:49 a.m.
                 Bungie is Microsoft *NM*Pinkuh 9/9/06 2:49 a.m.
                       But are they?HipboyScott 9/9/06 3:32 a.m.
                             Re: But are they?BlueTyphoid 9/9/06 9:30 p.m.
                       Not exactlyJillybean 9/9/06 5:32 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenChryton 9/9/06 3:00 a.m.
           Re: Just awful, HalogenFrost 9/9/06 3:43 a.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenSlimby 9/9/06 4:10 a.m.
           Re: Just awful, HalogenMarcus117 9/9/06 6:43 a.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenSc4Freak (From Halogen) 9/9/06 7:39 a.m.
     Re: Just awful, Halogenswelnet 9/9/06 8:07 a.m.
           Re: Just awful, Halogenvlad3163 9/9/06 2:59 p.m.
     Request for Comment from Bungie...Socrates 9/9/06 9:20 a.m.
           Re: Request for Comment from Bungie...Silent Hunter 9/9/06 9:41 a.m.
           What Bungie would sayAngelicLionheart 9/9/06 9:43 a.m.
           Re: Request for Comment from Bungie...SketchFactor 9/9/06 5:23 p.m.
     Rumour Debunking58 9/9/06 12:26 p.m.
           Re: Rumour DebunkingDocument 10/2/06 10:13 p.m.
     So...what's actually stopping you?AfroRyan 9/9/06 12:38 p.m.
           Re: So...what's actually stopping you?AfroRyan 9/9/06 12:46 p.m.
                 Re: So...what's actually stopping you?Sep7imus [subnova] 9/9/06 1:07 p.m.
           Re: So...what's actually stopping you?Shishka 9/9/06 1:57 p.m.
                 Simple solution!Saint 9/9/06 3:53 p.m.
                 Re: So...what's actually stopping you?AfroRyan 9/9/06 6:45 p.m.
                       WTF is wrong with you? *NM*Usul 9/10/06 6:36 p.m.
                             WTF is wrong with YOU!?AfroRyan 9/10/06 11:08 p.m.
                                   Re: WTF is wrong with YOU!?Louis Wu 9/11/06 4:49 a.m.
                                   Re: WTF is wrong with YOU!?Usul 9/11/06 6:43 p.m.
                 Halo UT mod still active!?Mikemc 9/18/06 7:27 p.m.
           Re: So...what's actually stopping you?Peptuck 9/9/06 3:01 p.m.
     Halogen = ThievesFrost 9/9/06 2:28 p.m.
           Re: Halogen = ThievesShishka 9/9/06 2:31 p.m.
                 Bummer.SketchFactor 9/9/06 4:54 p.m.
                       Re: Bummer.Frost 9/9/06 5:46 p.m.
                       What more could be saidBry 9/9/06 6:36 p.m.
                       After three years.Michael Finn 9/11/06 4:08 p.m.
                             Re: After three years.Sep7imus [subnova] 9/11/06 8:25 p.m.
                                   Re: After three years.Black Guard 9/12/06 6:27 a.m.
                                         Re: After three years.MinorThreat 9/12/06 5:33 p.m.
                             Re: After three years.MinorThreat 9/11/06 10:01 p.m.
                                   Re: After three years.Bry 9/12/06 5:08 a.m.
                 Re: Halogen = ThievesLarrion 9/28/06 2:31 a.m.
                       Re: Halogen = ThievesVlad3163 9/28/06 8:46 a.m.
           Re: Halogen = ThievesRecon#54 9/9/06 2:52 p.m.
                 Re: Halogen = Thievesvlad3163 9/9/06 3:06 p.m.
                       Re: Halogen = ThievesRecon#54 9/9/06 3:14 p.m.
                       Re: Halogen = ThievesSketchFactor 9/9/06 5:15 p.m.
                             Re: Halogen = ThievesWhiteRaBbit 9/9/06 7:24 p.m.
                                   Re: Halogen = ThievesBry 9/9/06 7:47 p.m.
                 Re: Halogen = ThievesFrost 9/9/06 3:33 p.m.
                       Re: Halogen = ThievesRecon#54 9/9/06 3:56 p.m.
                             Leaving the keys inFrost 9/9/06 4:39 p.m.
                                   Re: Leaving the keys inRocketMoose 9/9/06 4:42 p.m.
                                   Re: Leaving the keys inRecon#54 9/9/06 5:20 p.m.
                                   Re: Leaving the keys inSketchFactor 9/9/06 5:22 p.m.
                             Re: Halogen = ThievesLouis Wu 9/9/06 4:51 p.m.
                                   So Bungie isn't behind this?jdogmoney 9/9/06 5:06 p.m.
                                         Re: So Bungie isn't behind this?Jillybean 9/9/06 5:35 p.m.
                                               Re: So Bungie isn't behind this?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/9/06 7:21 p.m.
                                   Re: Halogen = ThievesMajor Silva 9/9/06 8:38 p.m.
                                         Re: Halogen = ThievesLouis Wu 9/10/06 9:17 a.m.
                                               Re: Halogen = ThievesMajor Silva 9/10/06 9:30 a.m.
                                                     Re: Halogen = ThievesSep7imus [subnova] 9/10/06 3:50 p.m.
                                   Re: Halogen = ThievesNarcogen 9/9/06 10:57 p.m.
                                         Re: Halogen = ThievesLouis Wu 9/10/06 9:29 a.m.
                                               Re: Halogen = ThievesJillybean 9/10/06 10:12 a.m.
                                                     Re: Halogen = ThievesUrsusArctos 9/10/06 10:26 a.m.
                                                           Re: Halogen = ThievesStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/10/06 11:35 a.m.
                                                           Getting a little OTJillybean 9/10/06 12:37 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Getting a little OTUrsusArctos 9/11/06 8:11 a.m.
                                         QuestionEndbringer 9/10/06 12:05 p.m.
                                               Re: QuestionBry 9/10/06 1:27 p.m.
           Re: Halogen = ThievesKP 9/10/06 3:35 a.m.
                 Re: Halogen = ThievesRecon#54 9/10/06 9:32 a.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenBJB 9/9/06 4:13 p.m.
     Bungie must making a Halo RTS next.DarkSim 9/9/06 4:53 p.m.
           Re: Bungie must making a Halo RTS next.Shishka 9/9/06 7:28 p.m.
                 Re: Bungie must making a Halo RTS next.jdogmoney 9/9/06 7:40 p.m.
                 Re: Bungie must making a Halo RTS next.Recon#54 9/9/06 7:58 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenX42-C1 9/9/06 6:53 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, Halogen *NM*DP 9/9/06 9:12 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenBlueTyphoid 9/9/06 9:35 p.m.
     The FutureSomethingClever 9/10/06 12:44 a.m.
           QueryWalshicus 9/10/06 7:09 a.m.
                 Re: QueryLouis Wu 9/10/06 9:57 a.m.
                       Re: QueryWalshicus 9/10/06 10:58 a.m.
                             crapMiguel Chavez 9/10/06 11:17 a.m.
                       Re: QueryMiguel Chavez 9/10/06 11:15 a.m.
                             Re: QueryRecon#54 9/10/06 11:27 a.m.
                                   Re: QueryNarcogen 9/10/06 11:25 p.m.
                             Re: QueryAngelicLionheart 9/10/06 7:21 p.m.
           Re: The FutureLouis Wu 9/10/06 9:50 a.m.
                 Re: The FutureNarcogen 9/10/06 10:11 a.m.
                 Re: The FutureSomethingClever 9/10/06 1:36 p.m.
                       Re: The FutureLouis Wu 9/10/06 2:59 p.m.
                             Re: The FutureBlck 9/10/06 3:04 p.m.
                                   It certainly makes you think twice, doesn't it...BJB 9/10/06 3:18 p.m.
                             Verily.Saint 9/10/06 3:10 p.m.
                                   Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.AngelicLionheart 9/10/06 8:11 p.m.
                                         Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.Recon#54 9/10/06 8:58 p.m.
                                               Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.AngelicLionheart 9/10/06 10:27 p.m.
                                                     Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.Recon#54 9/10/06 11:00 p.m.
                                                           Re: Verily. One last chance for MS.AngelicLionheart 9/10/06 11:54 p.m.
                                         Microsfot E-mailSlith 9/11/06 9:45 a.m.
                             Re: The FutureSomethingClever 9/10/06 4:18 p.m.
                                   Re: The FutureSep7imus [subnova] 9/10/06 4:31 p.m.
                                         Re: The FutureSomethingClever 9/10/06 4:41 p.m.
                                               Re: The FutureSep7imus [subnova] 9/10/06 4:46 p.m.
                                                     Re: The FutureRecon#54 9/10/06 4:54 p.m.
                                                           Re: The FutureSep7imus [subnova] 9/10/06 4:57 p.m.
                                                                 Re: The FutureSaint 9/10/06 6:49 p.m.
     Re: Just awful, HalogenMasta Chef 9/10/06 9:10 p.m.



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