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Posted By: Frost | Date: 9/9/06 4:39 p.m. |
In Response To: Re: Halogen = Thieves (Recon#54) Actually, I think there are plenty of examples throughout their history. Just to name a few, MaraMag, MaraMyth, and let's go for the blue whale here: Red vs Blue. I was the second editor-in-chief of Marathon Magazine backs in days of yore, and having spoken with Zartman about the project (granted my doing that makes it an exception compared to 99% of fan projects), I was informed it was pretty much okay to print whatever I wanted and use Bungie graphics and material at my discretion as long as I made sure to give proper credit, make sure copyrights were made note of, I did not intentionally misrepresent them on anything, and if they requested a change, I'd honor that request. We had a decent run, made gratuitous use of Bungie material after our graphics artist left to pursue other opportunities, and never encountered a problem, never had a request from Bungie to alter anything. MaraMyth I think is the biggest and best comparison to Halogen, except they went MUCH further than we went into questionable material. For the uninformed, they were a Marathon TC (that never reached completion) for Myth. They stripped sounds, sprites, text, characters, names, and everything from Marathon to use in Myth. Bungie's response? They were at FanFests showing off their stuff and going, "Hey, look what these guys are doing! Ain't it cool?" By contrast, SSP on the other hand used 100% original models, artwork, code, and so on and so forth. It was based on Halo, but everything you saw in Halogen was made by the Halogen team. The only characters borrowed from Halo were minor ones (not even including Master Chief or Sgt. Johnson). And while Halo sounds and music were used in the internal alphas as placeholders, it was understood from day one they'd never be in the release. That's why I was brought onto the team: voice acting for several characters, something I do semi-professionally. All vocals, sounds, and music were our own creations to specifically avoid direct use of anything created by a Bungie artist. It's disappointing that MaraMyth, doing direct rips, got support for their actions, but we get legal attention when we're tripping over ourselves to avoid reusing anything. And then of course there's Red vs Blue. They break the number one cardinal rule in that they're making money off of it. At the core of it, they're showing recordings of Halo being played, talking over them, and selling them for cash. I was taken aback when one of them (can't remember if it was Burnie or Gus) mentioned in the Season 1 forums how much they made off the Season 1 DVD sales and high-res subscriptions, and I can only imagine that's grown dramatically larger with Season 2 and Season 3. That's not just leaving the keys in the company van, that's letting you use it for personal profit too. |
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Just awful, Halogen | Dracon1k | 9/8/06 10:15 p.m. |
That sucks. Hard, | Ename Nep | 9/8/06 10:18 p.m. |
After all that work? Dude. That sucks. *NM* | CowOnTheNews | 9/8/06 10:18 p.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | Dracon1k | 9/8/06 10:29 p.m. |
*long inhale* | NartFOpc | 9/8/06 10:32 p.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | eiii | 9/8/06 10:55 p.m. |
Wait a second... | Saint | 9/8/06 10:58 p.m. |
Re: Wait a second... | Socrates | 9/8/06 11:07 p.m. |
Re: Wait a second... | Usul | 9/9/06 10:24 a.m. |
Something to chew on | Silent Hunter | 9/9/06 11:45 a.m. |
Re: Something to chew on | BlueTyphoid | 9/9/06 9:20 p.m. |
Cherished Martyrs | AngelicLionheart | 9/8/06 11:31 p.m. |
Re: Cherished Martyrs | Dispraiser | 9/8/06 11:56 p.m. |
Can someone enlighten me? | serpx | 9/9/06 12:36 a.m. |
Re: Can someone enlighten me? | Dracon1k | 9/9/06 2:24 a.m. |
Re: Can someone enlighten me? | HipboyScott | 9/9/06 3:12 a.m. |
Re: Can someone enlighten me? | Silent Hunter | 9/9/06 7:13 a.m. |
That's Probably Exactly It... | Mintz | 9/9/06 1:46 p.m. |
Re: Cherished Martyrs | Hawaiian Pig | 9/9/06 3:08 a.m. |
The irony is... | Frost | 9/9/06 12:38 a.m. |
Re: The irony is... | Cocopjojo | 9/9/06 12:49 a.m. |
Bungie is Microsoft *NM* | Pinkuh | 9/9/06 2:49 a.m. |
But are they? | HipboyScott | 9/9/06 3:32 a.m. |
Re: But are they? | BlueTyphoid | 9/9/06 9:30 p.m. |
Not exactly | Jillybean | 9/9/06 5:32 p.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | Chryton | 9/9/06 3:00 a.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | Frost | 9/9/06 3:43 a.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | Slimby | 9/9/06 4:10 a.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | Marcus117 | 9/9/06 6:43 a.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | Sc4Freak (From Halogen) | 9/9/06 7:39 a.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | swelnet | 9/9/06 8:07 a.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | vlad3163 | 9/9/06 2:59 p.m. |
Request for Comment from Bungie... | Socrates | 9/9/06 9:20 a.m. |
Re: Request for Comment from Bungie... | Silent Hunter | 9/9/06 9:41 a.m. |
What Bungie would say | AngelicLionheart | 9/9/06 9:43 a.m. |
Re: Request for Comment from Bungie... | SketchFactor | 9/9/06 5:23 p.m. |
Rumour Debunking | 58 | 9/9/06 12:26 p.m. |
Re: Rumour Debunking | Document | 10/2/06 10:13 p.m. |
So...what's actually stopping you? | AfroRyan | 9/9/06 12:38 p.m. |
Re: So...what's actually stopping you? | AfroRyan | 9/9/06 12:46 p.m. |
Re: So...what's actually stopping you? | Sep7imus [subnova] | 9/9/06 1:07 p.m. |
Re: So...what's actually stopping you? | Shishka | 9/9/06 1:57 p.m. |
Simple solution! | Saint | 9/9/06 3:53 p.m. |
Re: So...what's actually stopping you? | AfroRyan | 9/9/06 6:45 p.m. |
WTF is wrong with you? *NM* | Usul | 9/10/06 6:36 p.m. |
WTF is wrong with YOU!? | AfroRyan | 9/10/06 11:08 p.m. |
Re: WTF is wrong with YOU!? | Louis Wu | 9/11/06 4:49 a.m. |
Re: WTF is wrong with YOU!? | Usul | 9/11/06 6:43 p.m. |
Halo UT mod still active!? | Mikemc | 9/18/06 7:27 p.m. |
Re: So...what's actually stopping you? | Peptuck | 9/9/06 3:01 p.m. |
Halogen = Thieves | Frost | 9/9/06 2:28 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Shishka | 9/9/06 2:31 p.m. |
Bummer. | SketchFactor | 9/9/06 4:54 p.m. |
Re: Bummer. | Frost | 9/9/06 5:46 p.m. |
What more could be said | Bry | 9/9/06 6:36 p.m. |
After three years. | Michael Finn | 9/11/06 4:08 p.m. |
Re: After three years. | Sep7imus [subnova] | 9/11/06 8:25 p.m. |
Re: After three years. | Black Guard | 9/12/06 6:27 a.m. |
Re: After three years. | MinorThreat | 9/12/06 5:33 p.m. |
Re: After three years. | MinorThreat | 9/11/06 10:01 p.m. |
Re: After three years. | Bry | 9/12/06 5:08 a.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Larrion | 9/28/06 2:31 a.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Vlad3163 | 9/28/06 8:46 a.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Recon#54 | 9/9/06 2:52 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | vlad3163 | 9/9/06 3:06 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Recon#54 | 9/9/06 3:14 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | SketchFactor | 9/9/06 5:15 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | WhiteRaBbit | 9/9/06 7:24 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Bry | 9/9/06 7:47 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Frost | 9/9/06 3:33 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Recon#54 | 9/9/06 3:56 p.m. |
Leaving the keys in | Frost | 9/9/06 4:39 p.m. |
Re: Leaving the keys in | RocketMoose | 9/9/06 4:42 p.m. |
Re: Leaving the keys in | Recon#54 | 9/9/06 5:20 p.m. |
Re: Leaving the keys in | SketchFactor | 9/9/06 5:22 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Louis Wu | 9/9/06 4:51 p.m. |
So Bungie isn't behind this? | jdogmoney | 9/9/06 5:06 p.m. |
Re: So Bungie isn't behind this? | Jillybean | 9/9/06 5:35 p.m. |
Re: So Bungie isn't behind this? | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 9/9/06 7:21 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Major Silva | 9/9/06 8:38 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Louis Wu | 9/10/06 9:17 a.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Major Silva | 9/10/06 9:30 a.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Sep7imus [subnova] | 9/10/06 3:50 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Narcogen | 9/9/06 10:57 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Louis Wu | 9/10/06 9:29 a.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Jillybean | 9/10/06 10:12 a.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | UrsusArctos | 9/10/06 10:26 a.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 9/10/06 11:35 a.m. |
Getting a little OT | Jillybean | 9/10/06 12:37 p.m. |
Re: Getting a little OT | UrsusArctos | 9/11/06 8:11 a.m. |
Question | Endbringer | 9/10/06 12:05 p.m. |
Re: Question | Bry | 9/10/06 1:27 p.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | KP | 9/10/06 3:35 a.m. |
Re: Halogen = Thieves | Recon#54 | 9/10/06 9:32 a.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | BJB | 9/9/06 4:13 p.m. |
Bungie must making a Halo RTS next. | DarkSim | 9/9/06 4:53 p.m. |
Re: Bungie must making a Halo RTS next. | Shishka | 9/9/06 7:28 p.m. |
Re: Bungie must making a Halo RTS next. | jdogmoney | 9/9/06 7:40 p.m. |
Re: Bungie must making a Halo RTS next. | Recon#54 | 9/9/06 7:58 p.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | X42-C1 | 9/9/06 6:53 p.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen *NM* | DP | 9/9/06 9:12 p.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | BlueTyphoid | 9/9/06 9:35 p.m. |
The Future | SomethingClever | 9/10/06 12:44 a.m. |
Query | Walshicus | 9/10/06 7:09 a.m. |
Re: Query | Louis Wu | 9/10/06 9:57 a.m. |
Re: Query | Walshicus | 9/10/06 10:58 a.m. |
crap | Miguel Chavez | 9/10/06 11:17 a.m. |
Re: Query | Miguel Chavez | 9/10/06 11:15 a.m. |
Re: Query | Recon#54 | 9/10/06 11:27 a.m. |
Re: Query | Narcogen | 9/10/06 11:25 p.m. |
Re: Query | AngelicLionheart | 9/10/06 7:21 p.m. |
Re: The Future | Louis Wu | 9/10/06 9:50 a.m. |
Re: The Future | Narcogen | 9/10/06 10:11 a.m. |
Re: The Future | SomethingClever | 9/10/06 1:36 p.m. |
Re: The Future | Louis Wu | 9/10/06 2:59 p.m. |
Re: The Future | Blck | 9/10/06 3:04 p.m. |
It certainly makes you think twice, doesn't it... | BJB | 9/10/06 3:18 p.m. |
Verily. | Saint | 9/10/06 3:10 p.m. |
Re: Verily. One last chance for MS. | AngelicLionheart | 9/10/06 8:11 p.m. |
Re: Verily. One last chance for MS. | Recon#54 | 9/10/06 8:58 p.m. |
Re: Verily. One last chance for MS. | AngelicLionheart | 9/10/06 10:27 p.m. |
Re: Verily. One last chance for MS. | Recon#54 | 9/10/06 11:00 p.m. |
Re: Verily. One last chance for MS. | AngelicLionheart | 9/10/06 11:54 p.m. |
Microsfot E-mail | Slith | 9/11/06 9:45 a.m. |
Re: The Future | SomethingClever | 9/10/06 4:18 p.m. |
Re: The Future | Sep7imus [subnova] | 9/10/06 4:31 p.m. |
Re: The Future | SomethingClever | 9/10/06 4:41 p.m. |
Re: The Future | Sep7imus [subnova] | 9/10/06 4:46 p.m. |
Re: The Future | Recon#54 | 9/10/06 4:54 p.m. |
Re: The Future | Sep7imus [subnova] | 9/10/06 4:57 p.m. |
Re: The Future | Saint | 9/10/06 6:49 p.m. |
Re: Just awful, Halogen | Masta Chef | 9/10/06 9:10 p.m. |
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