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Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??
Posted By: M6D <the_M6D_legend@hotmail.com>Date: 1/27/06 11:19 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's?? (Peptuck)

: It could have been destroyed by the point defense systems. But why would
: Regret have bothered? The station was going to blow in moments anyway, so
: he wouldn't need to waste time and energy on destroying the station.

: When the MAC guns can destroy you own ships instantly and utterly? When you
: have to defend a Hierarch? The Covenant knows the power of a MAC gun, and
: they respect it, and they have to defend Regret from attack. Therefore,
: use of boarding parties to take the MACs offline makes a lot more sense.
: They don't outnumber the humans three to one in this scenario; in this
: case, they have to use subtetly and discretion and tactics to take out the
: guns with minimal loss among their own fleet.

: Not necessarily. How powerful is the armor of such a station? Can you
: guarantee that the explosives would have destroyed enough of the station
: to take it out?

: Two of the MACs are taken out before the battle even begins. And you fail to
: take into account the composition of the Covenant fleet: thirteen cruisers
: and two assault carriers. these aren't mere Covenant frigates and
: destroyers, they're cruisers and gigantic carriers. These are the best
: ships in the Covenant fleet, aganst a force consisting, for the most part,
: of the smallest and weakest of the UNSC fleet.

: Thirteen Covenant cruisers is a rough match for 39 UNSC cruisers. When you
: look at it that way, I personally am surprised that the UNSC fleet did so
: well.

: 2320/15 warships equals roughly 154 missiles per ship. Pulse laser point
: defense systems would cut that by at least a third, probably half, meaning
: that less than a hundred missiles would strike each ship. That's like
: throwing spitballs at a freight train; it would take five hundred or more
: missiles to even briefly drop a Covenant ship of that size's shields.

: Not to mention that not all frigates may pack MAC cannons, and
: frigate-mounted MACs are very weak; the Covenant corvette that the
: Commonwealth took on withstood two MACs, over a hundred and fifty Archers,
: and a nuke and still didn't die.

: Fighters and bombers would be met by Seraphs, from both the cruisers and teh
: assualt carriers, which can carry hundreds of them.

: Nukes wouldn't be used so close to the stations; the EMP would burn out the
: MACs' electronics.

however they could be used from a distance, people around HBO seem to be under the impression that no matter what distance UNSC veseels well be knocked out by the EMP from a nuke, which i believe is a quite stupid assuamption, loftus and me had a conversation about it and in the end the viable option was hte fact that UNSC ships only burn themselves out from the EMP when a nuke is used at close range, somehwat like you've suggested why they didnt in this case pep dude.

Also the not quite ready yet scenario that i pointed out for the stations that zak origonally concluded with also justifies the complete lack of point defense on human stations.


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Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UrsusArctos 12/30/05 12:31 a.m.
     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 12/30/05 12:47 a.m.
     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Ragashingo 12/30/05 12:50 a.m.
           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Whisp 12/30/05 1:13 a.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??HaloNater 12/30/05 1:22 a.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Jinno 12/30/05 1:23 a.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 1:26 a.m.
                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??HaloNater 12/30/05 1:30 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 1:42 a.m.
                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 9:57 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Hikaru-119 12/30/05 10:02 a.m.
                                         Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 10:30 a.m.
                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 10:57 a.m.
                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 12:14 p.m.
                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 1:54 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 2:03 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 2:10 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 3:45 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??mrbananas 1/11/06 9:40 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??(anonymous mc n.o 1) 1/27/06 6:13 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 12/30/05 5:53 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Zak Anderson 12/30/05 7:09 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/31/05 12:10 a.m.
                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Baratos 12/30/05 1:32 p.m.
                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 1:52 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 2:05 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??58 12/30/05 2:09 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 3:46 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 12/30/05 7:36 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Because that would be logical. *NM* *NM*BMac325 1/26/06 12:01 p.m.
                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Johny117 1/25/06 11:54 p.m.
                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Oscar Gordon 1/17/06 12:07 a.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??PingZing 12/30/05 1:57 a.m.
                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??gspawn 12/30/05 3:36 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 12/30/05 3:53 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Zak Anderson 12/30/05 5:49 p.m.
                       It's delivered by ferrets, of course. *NM*Pvt. Jenkins 12/30/05 9:06 a.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peronthious 12/30/05 8:23 a.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??cypher 12/30/05 8:49 p.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??blankityblankityblankblank 2/6/06 9:06 p.m.
                 MicroHikaru-119 12/30/05 8:49 a.m.
           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??moicus 12/30/05 4:00 a.m.
     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Rumsfeld 1/12/06 2:01 p.m.
           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/12/06 2:10 p.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Endbringer 1/12/06 3:34 p.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/12/06 9:53 p.m.
           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/12/06 2:19 p.m.
                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Frofalcon 1/12/06 5:01 p.m.
                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/12/06 5:03 p.m.
                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UrsusArctos 1/15/06 1:13 a.m.
                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/15/06 2:04 a.m.
                                         Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UrsusArctos 1/15/06 2:15 a.m.
                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/15/06 2:19 a.m.
                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UrsusArctos 1/15/06 2:39 a.m.
                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/27/06 8:17 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??marinealver 1/27/06 10:05 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/27/06 10:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/27/06 10:33 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/27/06 11:19 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/27/06 1:05 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/27/06 1:45 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/27/06 2:20 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/27/06 3:04 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/27/06 3:46 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 1:51 a.m.
                                                                             AddendumSlith 1/28/06 2:20 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: AddendumM6D 1/28/06 2:55 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/28/06 2:59 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 11:10 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/28/06 11:23 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 12:54 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??M6D 1/28/06 1:03 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 2:34 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??UNSCDF 1/28/06 3:55 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Slith 1/28/06 5:00 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/28/06 10:38 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/28/06 10:35 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/29/06 6:40 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/29/06 5:32 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/29/06 7:55 p.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Peptuck 1/29/06 8:16 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/29/06 8:19 p.m.
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                                                                                   Re: Why didn't the Covenant just shoot the MAC's??SPARTAN-034 1/28/06 5:40 p.m.
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