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Re: Prophet of Truth and the Great Journey
Posted By: mrbananas <dgreenwood@lacademy.edu>Date: 12/8/05 6:42 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Prophet of Truth and the Great Journey (Ragashingo)

: OR, our empire is vastly larger than any other empire faced before. what

: Yes, I agree the Humans are probably the biggest and best prepared empire the
: Covenant has faced. And yes different wars can go differently. But, why
: then do the Elites wonder why the Humans are not being granted access into
: the Covenant, and perhaps more importantly, why do they wonder this in
: secret, afraid of letting the Brutes and Prophets know that they are
: wondering?

curiosity killed the cat. rule number one of the covenant, never admit to questioning the prophets. even other prophets get in trouble for questioning higher prophets. like the Prophet of Suppostion. who was pratically called a heretic. Even half jaw with his reputation had to quickly respond no when truth asked are you questioning my decision.

: Not likely, most members of the Covenant are reliant on their technology to
: be effective. Only the Elites, Hunters, and Brutes are really a threat
: without fancy guns are armor. We know the Elites defeated the Hunters
: before the Hunters got their fancy guns and armor...

so you are denieing that vast skill and experience and tactical brillence can not be enough to over come the covenant technology. i am talking about an Ender wiggin of grunts. a grunt who is an expert... no... a master in fighting. any foe can be defeated using any weapon, even a stick. Bows and arrows and swords may be out dated but they are still deadly. Grunts and jackels have been given the common misconception of being cowards and weak. The naked grunt body is more dangerous than the human naked body. ever notice the blade-like structures coming out of the grunts elbows. and they also have sharp teeth. humans have crappy teeth. Jackels have speed and agility, as will as jumping power.

humnaity with there primitive weapons can fight the covenant. no while only the spartans seem like the best, there are still none spartan heros out there. think of it in terms of lord of the rings. a drawf can defeat a troll if the drawf is a supreme fighter. Brain verus brawn or in this case technology=brawn so brain verus technology

: First off, I'm not shouting anything, I'm pointing out areas that I feel you
: haven't addressed enough with your theory. Why the civil war? Why the
: betrayal of Regret and Mercy? Why replace the Elites with the Brutes? Why
: order the death of the Arbiter when he accomplished his mission of
: retrieving the Index?

First off, Mercy and Regrets deaths were not betrayels, i clearly stated in the theory its self why Mercys death is not a betrayl. and now in another post i have explained regrets death.

Why replace elites with brutes, and why a civil war are still questions to either arguement. do to lack of time to answer every single question in the universe (because there are a ton, and i have answered many in the theory)

Why don't i explain cortanas actions, or gravemind. or the civil war. those are all things of current politics. politics are dangerous areas of decision. any theory on current politics (of the halo universe) leads to conclusions of the future of the politics. which thusly becomes predictions. This is a theory of the Past. The past could have absolutly no effect on the current or future politics. Branching out into the prophet of truth is crossing the edge, but it was nessacry for it had direct links to the past of halo. the arks ability and location are influencal to truths actions.

Why are the elites and brutes in a civil war, i hint at things involving the title/honor of being the prophets escort. but i don't have full explainations yet, why, because i haven't had the time to get to them yet, they will come as a future addition, but for now i say enough to hint home with truth.

But once again, thing leading into the future are a whole different part of a theory, since current politics can be uneffected by the past. things discussing the politics could be a theory completely seporate of this one, but when the two theorys are mentioned together they would cover everything.

However, you Questioning into those unsolved questions is helping to bring me closer to Future attentions and new theorys. but the key to writing a good theory is if you fully know all of the oppositions points. they help form my own points. (AKA the more time i have to think and experment, the closer i come to a reasonble and strong conclusion)

: Secondly, I suggest that there will be new twists in Halo 3. For instance,
: after seeing all the Halo 2 trailers and demos I along with everybody else
: though Halo 2 would be mostly about defending Earth, it wasn't. At the end
: of Halo 1 who could have predicted a Covenant civil war, or even the
: existence of the Brutes and Drones for that matter? Who could logically
: predict that Johnson (who on legendary is in view of the PoA as it blows
: up) would be a main character in Halo 2? How about Captain Keyes having a
: daughter, or playing as the Arbiter?

: My point is there have been major twists in Halo's story than none of us
: could have predicted, and I completely expect such twists to continue with
: Halo 3.

a little irony, but according to the positions of the general crowad, truth being a believer is something that most others can not see coming. because of the supicions and suggests, hardley anyone but me stops to look behind the hints toward something that seem completely against the hints. (bungie is trying to decive your track of mind)

: As mentioned before things happened in Halo 2 that could not be predicted
: based solely on Halo 1. I believe Truth's motives are something that can't
: completely be predicted based solely on Halo 2, and I've argued that
: opinion. That is NOT shouting out things.

-you like the possiblity of conflict if the covenant ever found out halo really kills all life.
-or a pending conflict between brutes and elites from the last chapter of first strike.
-the existance of other rings (thats a biggy)can't call it halo if it doesn't have a halo.
-someone getting punished/tortured for halos desturction as foreshadowed in first strike

we are all entitled to opinion, that doesn't mean i can't try and change yours. you state, truths motives can't be predicted based upon stuff from halo2 (and 1 i presume). I a argue that you can and that i have validly predicted truths motives based on know information. (true vs valid, learn the laws of logic) unless you can prove the evidence of the theory (or premises) wrong or conclusions drawn from it. i have a completely valid arguement. and the validity of my arguement is proving your arguement that truths motives can't be predicted invalid. Arguing the future is unknown and forever unknown is like trying to put a ban on any and all speculation. "sorry mrbananas, but the fututre is unknown therefore no predicitions can be considered true."

If you want to elimite someone prediction, you must strike the prediction it self, not just state the future can't be predicated. Guess what, as long as future exists, so one can get lucky in a prediction and acutually predict it. the prediction doesn't have to be strong or have evidence to end up being true. which is why i don't care about the if my prediction is true or not. noboby looks for that when they make a prediction, they look for the validity of there prediction.

The teenage mutant ninja turtles and the flaming ninjis will team up in halo 3 to defend earth from truth and his gang of teletubies. This is a predict. it is possible. this could be the unforseeable a twist you guys are talking about. the reason why all prediction are possible is because no body knows the future. therefore nobody knows the future is not the arguement for why a theory is not possible, of the chances of its likly hood.

-Is the teenage mutant ninja turtle theory high unlikly?
- yes,
- is it the unpredicatablity of the future that makes it unlikly,
- NO.
- Its is its desargeement with the present facts and evidence that make it unlikly. in fact, other than the part about truth and earth and the general direction. everything else in the arguement are invalid conclusions because the have no basis. The ninja turtles thing can still be true, but it is invalid. Nobody will learn what is an isn't true when the answer is reveiled. until then, all there is to do is argue the validity of the theorys and predictions.

ITs just like an experment. you must justify your hypthosis with background information, other wise nobody will care. I could make a scientific theory that all life came from starbucks coffe. but if i can't justify it with background information, its not going to get into the science books next to the theory of evolution or the theory of the big bang. both of those theorys are unknown as to whether or not they are true. but as more facts reveal themselves (ie the future of the story unfolds) the theory either becomes truer or falser.

Untill the story unfolds. i want to know the validness of the theory. i want you pointing out every single flaw in the evidence, or contratiditions or counter points. I need the people to point out the gaps so that i can later mend the leaks. In my arguements with 58 in the past, he showed me the countless thousands of holes and gaps, in the original theorys, (as i showed the ones in his as well) from these arguements i have been able to patch up holes, revise the entire direction, sometimes even change the entire position. then me and 58 would argue again having both advanced in skill, and reveal the other holes we couldn't see before or that still remained. each time our arguments and theories got strong. This theory would exist if it were for 58. Most would stop dead in the water at all the forerunner died as planned and how reclaimers and forerunners are always mentioned seperate. i pushed myself to find ways around them. and believe it or not i did find ways around may arguements, even turn them into evidence for myself. now the forerunner all died helps support my embroyo idea over theorys of evolution or shields because techincally all living forerunner did die, but the unborn childern remained.

So stop hiding behind the unknown future, and attack theorys validity and context. not the likely hood of it happening. i want to know if it is still fully possible of happening. if you can find something that proves the theory false (aka a real counter point like a contirdiction in the halo universe or common sense)

: If you want people to pretend your ideas are above question say so. If so
: I'll stop responding, but if you want to have a discussion or debate about
: a theory you have to let people point out the problem's they see.

PRETEND!! never, the only problem you are pointing out is the unvirsal existance of a future. thats not a problem. a problem would be a controditcion.
I will continue to argue and defend my theory. i can agrue for ever. (natureal gift) and i inherited some stuberness from my mother. but you can even ask 58. i will continue to argue until my oppenont declares a draw, if even then i would keep going.

and now i must go

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