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Re: Thoughts and conclusions
Posted By: dude1 <mgs24evr@msn.com>Date: 2/3/05 7:37 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Thoughts and conclusions (Tweek)

: I think this comes down to whether this is from the Covie side or the human
: side. I'm sure the Covies know more than enough about their client races,
: but there's not much chance of us learning quite as much. I'm thinking
: that we can translate the Grunt and Elite languages, but haven't cracked
: the Hunters' yet. Also, more can be inferred from battlefield behavior of
: the Grunts and Elites, I would think.

i dunno... this sentence: "However, their commitment to the Covenant religion has always been in question, since they continue to maintain their ancient cultural traditions", makes me think it's an omniscient or covenant perspective. we really can't say jack about ANY race's faith, since all the humans know about the covenant is, "they want to kill us, for their gods".

: We learn a lot about what we kill. If the Hunters were brought in by force,
: and that looks like what happened, I'm certain that the Elites and
: Prophets know what their weaknesses are. I still believe that the current
: Hunter that we know and usually fear is a product not of Hunter culture
: and tradition, but of Covenant augmentation. Why? Well, worm clusters
: don't have hands and likely would not self-augment into a humanoid stance
: that is reminiscent of Elites, Prophets, Grunts, and Jackals. I find it
: far more likely that they were unarmored monstrosities and the Covenant
: shaped them into Covie line troops with the technology we've become
: familiar with.

good point...why assume a humanoid stance like that? my only explanation would be an evolutionary concession: maybe the hunters were competing with or being predated upon by a humanoid organism, and their populations assumed a similar structure in order to fight back, and then continued doing so in order to dominate the ecosystem. of course, no proof, so by occam's razor i'd say your theory is better. i still don't feel comfortable with it, but logic is in your favor.

: Incidentally, ever notice just how naked the Covies are, really? Grunts have
: mostly exposed forearms, legs and midsections. I think Elites have a
: surprising amount of flesh exposed, and Jackals are wholly unarmored.
: Anyone else think this has to do with the fact that Covies are generally
: stone-age races who discovered tech or had it forced on them?

actually, i think it proves the exact OPPOSITE, at least with the elites. you see, with primitive weapons technology, you're pretty much forced into close-range combat. this means you add MORE armor; as tech increases, armor decreases. look at the arbiter's armor, for example, vs. that of the regular elites - we saw the arbiter using a spear when fighting hunters, and lo! he's got much heavier armor than his companions. the standard elite has large pauldrons, but no chestplate to speak of - obviously they depend mainly on their energy shields. i think the grunts may have originally had more armor, but they dropped it when they began using large rebreather systems, due to the sheer weight of their kit. jackals likely wore a similar level of unarmor and relied on exterior shields and their speed for combat.

--dude1

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           Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!7he One 1/26/05 12:51 p.m.
                 Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Louis Wu 1/26/05 1:52 p.m.
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     Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!dude1 1/26/05 12:53 p.m.
           Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!7he One 1/26/05 12:55 p.m.
                 Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!7he One 1/26/05 1:00 p.m.
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                                   Re: OoohAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 1/26/05 5:03 p.m.
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                 I think enough of us understand Steve *NM*Pezcore343 1/26/05 4:34 p.m.
                       P.S.Pezcore343 1/26/05 4:36 p.m.
           Re: Ooohmadcowjim 1/26/05 4:54 p.m.
                 Re: OoohBOLL 1/26/05 7:03 p.m.
     Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Futzy 1/26/05 4:22 p.m.
           Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Jillybean 1/26/05 4:23 p.m.
                 Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!demonelite 1/26/05 4:28 p.m.
                       rotflc0ld vengeance 1/26/05 7:04 p.m.
     Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Echoes 1/26/05 4:38 p.m.
           Similarity here?kevo9000 1/26/05 4:49 p.m.
           Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Futzy 1/26/05 4:54 p.m.
                 Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Heero 1/26/05 5:01 p.m.
                       Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Echoes 1/26/05 5:15 p.m.
                             Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Heero 1/26/05 5:27 p.m.
     Re: Yessssss... More food for me:-) *NM*Eagle 117 1/26/05 5:02 p.m.
     Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!aznthunder 1/26/05 7:48 p.m.
     Thoughts and conclusionsdude1 1/26/05 8:33 p.m.
           Re: Thoughts and conclusionsPezcore343 1/26/05 8:52 p.m.
                 Re: Thoughts and conclusionsdude1 1/26/05 8:59 p.m.
                       hmmmmm...hi 1/26/05 9:36 p.m.
                             Re: hmmmmm...replay 1/26/05 11:55 p.m.
                       Re: Thoughts and conclusionsAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 1/27/05 10:27 a.m.
                             Re: Thoughts and conclusionsSep7imus [subnova] 1/27/05 10:31 a.m.
                                   Re: Thoughts and conclusionsAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 1/27/05 11:09 a.m.
                                         Re: Thoughts and conclusionsSep7imus [subnova] 1/27/05 12:51 p.m.
                                               Re: Thoughts and conclusionsdude1 1/27/05 3:41 p.m.
                                               Oh, and btw...dude1 1/27/05 3:44 p.m.
           Tablets 5 and 6Interactive Civilian 1/26/05 11:35 p.m.
                 Hrm...to reply to myself...Interactive Civilian 1/26/05 11:53 p.m.
                       actually...Interactive Civilian 1/27/05 12:14 a.m.
                 Re: Tablets 5 and 6 (Tablet Inaccuracy?)Flannigus 1/27/05 2:17 a.m.
                 my own interpretationBlaz 1/31/05 9:41 p.m.
                       position of species.fuel rod grunt 1/31/05 10:41 p.m.
                             Re: position of species.E.I.G. 2/1/05 9:20 p.m.
           Re: Thoughts and conclusionsTweek 2/1/05 3:35 p.m.
                 Re: Thoughts and conclusionsdude1 2/1/05 3:49 p.m.
                       Re: Thoughts and conclusionsTweek 2/1/05 7:35 p.m.
                             Re: Thoughts and conclusionsdude1 2/1/05 8:13 p.m.
                                   Re: Thoughts and conclusionsTweek 2/3/05 4:18 p.m.
                                         Re: Thoughts and conclusionsdude1 2/3/05 7:37 p.m.
     Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Um, pictures of the 4 Ancient tablets...? 1/27/05 3:31 a.m.
     Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!7he One 1/27/05 11:01 a.m.
           Tablet 5: Thumbnail and big picture are differentDave007Dog 1/27/05 11:58 a.m.
                 Links to table 5 picturesDave007Dog 1/27/05 12:02 p.m.
                       Fixed now *NM*7he One 1/27/05 1:29 p.m.
                 Re: Tablet 5: Thumbnail and big picture are differLouis Wu 1/27/05 6:31 p.m.
     Halo Fired?Warlord 1/28/05 3:27 p.m.
           Re: Halo Fired?Sephlock 1/28/05 3:30 p.m.
           Re: Halo Fired?dude1 1/28/05 3:31 p.m.
                 Re: Halo Fired?Louis Wu 1/29/05 8:15 a.m.
                       Re: Halo Fired?dude1 1/29/05 10:31 a.m.
           Re: Halo Fired?muttley 1/28/05 3:32 p.m.
                 Re: Halo Fired?7Geeks_Ravns 1/28/05 3:35 p.m.
                       Re: Halo Fired?Warlord 1/28/05 3:37 p.m.
                       Re: Halo Fired?muttley 1/28/05 3:38 p.m.
                             Damn!7Geeks_Ravns 1/28/05 3:44 p.m.
                                   Hurrah! *NM*muttley 1/28/05 3:49 p.m.
                                   FIRE THE RINGS!Sephlock 1/28/05 5:41 p.m.
                                         Re: FIRE THE RINGS!muttley 1/28/05 6:13 p.m.
           Re: Halo Fired?GryphonOsiris 1/28/05 6:43 p.m.
     Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Darkshades 1/28/05 5:22 p.m.
           Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!Echoes 1/28/05 5:34 p.m.
           Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!muttley 1/28/05 5:38 p.m.
                 Re: Pictures of the 7 Ancient tablets!SpartnChief 2/1/05 7:49 p.m.



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