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Another agreement and some more opinions
Posted By: MicrometalusDate: 11/18/04 1:59 p.m.

In Response To: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *long (Ducain)

**I contain spoilers but if you're reading this thread you've probably already played the game**

After taking the time to read the original and all subsequent posts on this thread, my opinion hasn't changed much.
I am in agreement in a general dissapointment in the game.

I do not mean to say that H2 is a game woth a weekend rent and that only. Hell no. Halo 2 is a wonderful game in its own right. Therin lies a problem, you cannot play Halo 2 without previous knowledge of Halo and not be lost in the story.
Now for my own 'worthwhile' opinions on some key isssues I see being raised.

The ending seems at the top of the list. I remember after beating it with my friend the first time saying "Wouldn't that be funny if it ended right now?" Then it did... I let out such a cry of anguish that many people in the vicinity were woken up. Yes it was still that early, don't change the subject. I don't agree with this ending at all. I feel somethings missing. At the end of Halo, whether or not the state of the rest of the universe I had accomplished something. I destroyed installation 04. Hell yeah!
This one ends, rather suddenly I might add, without that feeling of closure. To say nothing of the low amount of involvement of Earth, I was hoping to get that bastard Truth. I was expecting a great Forerunner facility to rise from Earth's oceans or break out of the Antarctic ice. To say I will finish this fight and then do nothing... it doesn't seem right.

Next the storyline, and the inclusion of the Arbiter. I understand the need to play the Arbiter. He is a link to the covenant infighting you see later as the MC, which if you look at it from his POV is a mystery. I don't see many ways to keepthat significant plot twist without switching to the covenants'.
Compared to Halo, H2 is extremely story driven. While I do not buy a game (especially not a FPS) for its story but for its entertainment, it is still a requirement in any good game. Halo 2 is a sequal and so it has the right to need that knowledge of Halo.
Overall I'm rather happy with the storyline, and pretty indifferent to playing the Arbiter. In fact a favorite quote comes from an elite that I'd otherwise never hear.

The Legendary difficulty, I feel, will in fact be just that. Before reading these I was stuck for three hours in the second pelican bay against maybe 5 elites huddling in a corner. I died and decided to give it a break. Beating on legendary will truly be an accomplishment. I am rather upset that we don't have our badges anymore. What proof is there that we have lpayed and defeated a level. On my profile it says the highest level I have played or defeated (I'm not sure) is The great journey on normal. I did play through the first time on normal, co-op. I am certain that I ahve since played it through on heroic and a friend of mine has played it on legendary. It hasn't changed for me or him, I'm just wondering if it has for anyone else.

Xbox Live. This is glorious. Hell, there are no words to have described my enjoyment playing this game. H2 is the first game I've played on XBL and I consider it(XBL) worth the money I payed for it.
It has its drawbacks. H2's dependance on XBL deprives many people who don't have that capability. And my hope for a resolution with the story is lost for them.

A couple other things I want to raise before I leave you this lon post that I doubt anyone will read...
Was anyone else a little put off by the 'Boss' characters in this game? Halo lacked them and in my opinion was better off.
Halo 3. Many of you seem extremely optomistic about this. I see the possibility, but mostly as downloadable content, not a new game.

I agree Ducain, and I wonder what bungie thinks of so many community members that feel as dissapointed.
For those of you that did read this... I can't believe you just wasted so much of your time.


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My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *longDucain 11/18/04 10:12 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *sp*N1NJ4 11/18/04 10:29 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonICDedPpl 11/18/04 10:35 a.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonjazo 11/18/04 10:43 a.m.
                 Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonIsh 11/18/04 10:46 a.m.
                 Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonGladius 1000 11/18/04 7:20 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonCaptain Spark 11/18/04 10:50 a.m.
     Re: Me agrees *NM*thunderhawk555 11/18/04 11:17 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonWalshicus 11/18/04 11:22 a.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonCount Zero 11/18/04 11:33 a.m.
                 Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonWalshicus 11/18/04 11:46 a.m.
           Er...bigass spoilers on this sub-thread? *NM*Andrew Nagy 11/18/04 12:56 p.m.
                 More like the whole thread. *NM*Andrew Nagy 11/18/04 12:58 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *loncyberg4 11/18/04 11:22 a.m.
           I must say, I was not disappointed...stan 11/18/04 9:34 p.m.
                 Re: I must say, I was not disappointed...-more earthe armsman 11/19/04 1:24 a.m.
                 Not really Bungie anymore.Mangler 11/29/04 4:27 p.m.
                       Re: Not really Bungie anymore.grunt killer 11/29/04 4:31 p.m.
                             Oh, pleaseJillybean 11/29/04 4:37 p.m.
                                   Re: WTHeck?Wado SG 11/29/04 5:31 p.m.
                             OMG! My evil twin! ^^ *NM* *NM*GruntKilla 11/29/04 5:18 p.m.
                       Re: Not really Bungie anymore.Count Zero 11/29/04 4:54 p.m.
                       Re: Not really Bungie anymore.Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 11/29/04 5:07 p.m.
                             I'd have to agree FULLY!SYSTEMS 11/29/04 5:53 p.m.
                       Re: Not really Bungie anymore.Ross Mills [subnova] 11/29/04 5:39 p.m.
                       Re: Not really Bungie anymore.Andrew Nagy 11/29/04 7:14 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonCount Zero 11/18/04 11:24 a.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonWarbinger 11/18/04 11:41 a.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonE.T. the Extremely Tired 11/18/04 11:56 a.m.
                 Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonSep7imus [subnova] 11/18/04 2:55 p.m.
                       Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonE.T. the Extremely Tired 11/18/04 3:48 p.m.
                             Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonDruff 11/18/04 5:23 p.m.
           Re: My Thursday afternoom BBQPico 11/18/04 1:39 p.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonFriendlyFire 11/18/04 3:30 p.m.
                 My reaction *sp* longMC vince 11/18/04 6:14 p.m.
                       Re: My reaction *sp* longTarrsk 11/18/04 7:08 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonCabanaguy25 11/18/04 11:36 a.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonWalshicus 11/18/04 11:55 a.m.
                 A matter of preference?Beoren 11/18/04 1:49 p.m.
                       Re: A matter of preference?Micrometalus 11/18/04 2:06 p.m.
           Re: Damn, now I'm hungry *SP* *long*C Hunter X 11/18/04 9:47 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonE1337 11/18/04 11:44 a.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonResponsible Jon 11/18/04 11:47 a.m.
                 Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonIsh 11/18/04 11:52 a.m.
                       Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonTy4Lom 11/18/04 12:14 p.m.
                 Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonE1337 11/18/04 11:59 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonLothar Hex 11/18/04 11:54 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonClefton Twain 11/18/04 11:55 a.m.
     This is a great summary *opinion, spoilers*gspawn 11/18/04 11:55 a.m.
           Re: This is a great summary *opinion, spoilers*Th3 Guns1inger 11/19/04 1:55 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonDruff 11/18/04 11:57 a.m.
     I hesitantly, but wholeheartedly, agree *NM*HK HUNTRKILLR 11/18/04 12:01 p.m.
     How to respond....Saint [lpn] 11/18/04 12:07 p.m.
           Oops... *SP* ^^ *NM*Saint [lpn] 11/18/04 12:08 p.m.
           Re: How to respond....ShadowRanger 11/18/04 12:23 p.m.
           Re: How to respond....Narhl'Lar 11/18/04 5:07 p.m.
     couldn't agree more *NM* *NM*Mr_McMurder 11/18/04 12:15 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonSep7imus [subnova] 11/18/04 12:17 p.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonphlux 11/18/04 12:50 p.m.
                 Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonDucain 11/18/04 1:11 p.m.
                       Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonSep7imus [subnova] 11/18/04 1:28 p.m.
                       Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonCaptain Spark 11/18/04 1:30 p.m.
                       Why what you feel is right...and why it will fadeJamirus99 11/18/04 2:54 p.m.
                             Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will fRed Loser 11/18/04 5:35 p.m.
                                   Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will fwraith7n 11/18/04 6:58 p.m.
                                   Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will fvector40 11/29/04 6:17 p.m.
                                         Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will fDjof 11/29/04 8:49 p.m.
                                               Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will fSep7imus [subnova] 11/29/04 8:56 p.m.
                       Stfu, nub. :) *NM*Blitzwolf 11/29/04 3:41 p.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonsKribbler 11/18/04 1:06 p.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonClefton Twain 11/18/04 1:11 p.m.
                 Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonsKribbler 11/18/04 1:24 p.m.
           Bring your own flames... *SP*axman 11/18/04 2:46 p.m.
                 Re: Bring your own flames... *SP*klurejr 11/18/04 4:59 p.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonTh3 Guns1inger 11/19/04 2:11 a.m.
     I also can't agree morePhatcorns 11/18/04 12:25 p.m.
     Text is too smallpoena.dare (not.dead.yet) 11/18/04 1:07 p.m.
           Re: Text is too small I AGREEwraith7n 11/18/04 7:02 p.m.
                 Re: Text is too small I AGREEragereset 11/20/04 4:35 p.m.
     A game is only new once.ragereset 11/18/04 1:24 p.m.
           Re: A game is only new once.sKribbler 11/18/04 1:29 p.m.
                 Re: A game is only new once.Druff 11/18/04 1:40 p.m.
                       Re: A game is only new once.sKribbler 11/18/04 1:44 p.m.
                             Re: A game is only new once.Druff 11/18/04 1:46 p.m.
     Totally agreed *NM*fartman 11/18/04 1:29 p.m.
     Re: Foundation: MarathonDr. Blake 11/18/04 1:41 p.m.
           Marathon, Halo, Hardware salesKanen Faud'r 11/18/04 6:40 p.m.
                 Holy crap...Louis Wu 11/18/04 8:13 p.m.
                       Re: Holy crap...Kanen Faud'r 11/18/04 10:15 p.m.
                             Re: Bungie's next project?ThorsHammer 11/19/04 12:40 a.m.
     My feelings exactly...Someone 11/18/04 1:44 p.m.
     Another agreement and some more opinionsMicrometalus 11/18/04 1:59 p.m.
           Re: Another agreement and some more opinionsMicrometalus 11/18/04 2:01 p.m.
                 If you can spoil lack of an ending, then *SP*sKribbler 11/18/04 2:12 p.m.
                       Re: If you can spoil lack of an ending, then *SP*HK HUNTRKILLR 11/18/04 3:25 p.m.
                             I'll agree, with a note about musicDalan Galma 11/18/04 4:24 p.m.
           Re: Another agreement and some more opinionswraith7n 11/18/04 7:06 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonXLNC 11/18/04 2:00 p.m.
     OMG U n00b H4L0 2 is t3h suXX00rz!!!111oneretsamolah 11/18/04 2:07 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonZaknafein 11/18/04 2:28 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonXenos 11/18/04 2:30 p.m.
     More fuel for the flames. And who's fault is it?Infantier 11/18/04 2:31 p.m.
           Re: More fuel for the flames. And who's fault is iFire 11/18/04 2:52 p.m.
           Re: More fuel for the flames. And who's fault is igodfath3r24 11/18/04 3:04 p.m.
     Conspiracy Theoryterm 11/18/04 2:57 p.m.
           Re: Conspiracy Theory? Yes Indeed!Spartan39 11/18/04 3:08 p.m.
                 Conspiracy Theory Evidence?term 11/19/04 1:38 p.m.
     I agree *spoilers*Sith 11/18/04 3:14 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) (SP)number302079 11/18/04 3:23 p.m.
     Another point of view, for your considerationGil-Galahad 11/18/04 3:24 p.m.
           Re: Another point of view, for your considerationDucain 11/18/04 4:14 p.m.
                 *SP*, huge *SP* - even Star Wars *SP*'sE.T. the Extremely Tired 11/18/04 4:59 p.m.
     I feel the same way, thanks for standing up *NM*marleybadger 11/18/04 3:30 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonxSIVELx 11/18/04 3:45 p.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonMoose 11/18/04 4:10 p.m.
     -_-Sanj 11/18/04 3:53 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonJohnnie H. 11/18/04 3:58 p.m.
     Agree and Disagree *spoilers*Stanford101 11/18/04 3:59 p.m.
           In conclusion, happySiLvEr 11/18/04 4:05 p.m.
           Re: Agree and Disagree *spoilers*Captain Spark 11/18/04 4:57 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonDarkshot 11/18/04 4:02 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonAllAmerican 11/18/04 4:14 p.m.
     Ooooooooooh DISAGREE!!!!! (some spoilers)Jillybean 11/18/04 4:16 p.m.
           Re: Ooooooooooh DISAGREE!!!!! (some spoilers)Pico 11/18/04 4:49 p.m.
                 theereazeDucain 11/18/04 4:54 p.m.
                       Re: theereazeJillybean 11/18/04 5:00 p.m.
                 Okay - I have a theoryJillybean 11/18/04 4:58 p.m.
                       Re: Okay - I have a theory (good theory!)Pico 11/18/04 6:25 p.m.
                       Re: Okay - I have a theoryRampant Cowboy 11/18/04 6:51 p.m.
                       Re: Okay - I have a theoryFuzzyWhisper 11/18/04 7:08 p.m.
                       Re: Okay - I have a theoryBOLL 11/19/04 6:27 a.m.
                             Only maybe?Jillybean 11/19/04 8:03 a.m.
                                   Re: Only maybe?BOLL 11/19/04 1:55 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonFuzzyWhisper 11/18/04 4:18 p.m.
           More of my Thoughts (Minor *SP*)Moose 11/18/04 4:28 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonVadcol 11/18/04 4:22 p.m.
     My Thursday evening opinion-soup. *SP*Chester the Destroyer 11/18/04 4:28 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonklurejr 11/18/04 4:31 p.m.
           Yes, UnfortunatlyBlueWizard 11/18/04 4:54 p.m.
                 Notice How Bungie is Quite???Vadcol 11/18/04 5:18 p.m.
                       check yo facts! yo!FrogBlast 11/18/04 5:28 p.m.
                       peoplegrunt killer 11/29/04 4:29 p.m.
                             Re: peopleMr. Mister 11/29/04 5:02 p.m.
                             Re: peopleGladius Dei 11/29/04 5:15 p.m.
                             Re: people343winks 11/29/04 5:39 p.m.
     AMEN! Couldn't have said it better myself! *NM*Eric Smith 11/18/04 4:56 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonJHG 11/18/04 5:16 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonLysergicide 11/18/04 5:26 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *Dee23 11/18/04 5:39 p.m.
     What I think of halo 2timboh56 11/18/04 5:45 p.m.
     Negative Remark/Opinion About Halo 2Kinotrica M 11/18/04 6:25 p.m.
           Re: Negative Remark/Opinion About Halo 2Narhl'Lar 11/18/04 6:45 p.m.
           Did I miss something?FuzzyWhisper 11/18/04 7:01 p.m.
           Re: Negative Remark/Opinion About Halo 2timboh56 11/18/04 7:59 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonwraith7n 11/18/04 6:36 p.m.
     Thursday night BBQ*SP*FrogBlast 11/18/04 6:39 p.m.
           Hear, hear. Couldn't agree more. *NM*FuzzyWhisper 11/18/04 7:04 p.m.
           But think about how long halo 3 will be.Hawaiian Pig 11/18/04 8:35 p.m.
     All The More Strategyjewelskull 11/18/04 6:54 p.m.
     Has anyone played Halo 2 and NOT Halo 1?wangboy 11/18/04 7:45 p.m.
     Ash Offerings *SP*Socrates 11/18/04 7:55 p.m.
     I ASOLUTELY AGREE *NM*wood the great 11/18/04 8:00 p.m.
     You're absolutely right *Spoilers*Toby Dillman 11/18/04 8:37 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonRockhard 11/18/04 8:43 p.m.
     Unfortunately, you're right. *SP?* *semi-long.*Coleus 11/18/04 8:45 p.m.
           Whoops!Coleus 11/18/04 9:08 p.m.
           Re: Unfortunately, you're right. *SP?* *semi-long.Rockhard 11/18/04 9:17 p.m.
                 Re: Unfortunately, you're right. *SP?* *semi-long.Tarrsk 11/18/04 11:20 p.m.
                       Warning, uninformed opinion withinAndrew Nagy 11/19/04 6:42 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonGladius Dei 11/18/04 9:01 p.m.
     I don't agree...stan 11/18/04 9:16 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonGunny343 11/18/04 10:08 p.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonCody Danna 11/18/04 10:30 p.m.
           Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonFuzzyWhisper 11/19/04 4:28 a.m.
                 Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonTh3 Guns1inger 11/19/04 2:32 p.m.
                       Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonRvB Church 117 11/19/04 9:10 p.m.
     Re: halo is nothing like Halo 2RvB Church 117 11/18/04 10:48 p.m.
     Re: Do you not remember? *spDark_Angel 11/19/04 8:59 a.m.
           heheDucain 11/19/04 9:29 a.m.
                 Halo 3?haloplyr 11/19/04 10:23 a.m.
                       Well, considering Halo 2's ending...FuzzyWhisper 11/19/04 1:39 p.m.
           Dark Angel is, like, a ripoff! *NM*Andrew Nagy 11/19/04 2:03 p.m.
                 Re: Dark Angel is, like, a ripoff!Dark_Angel 11/20/04 1:37 a.m.
                       Re: Dark Angel is, like, a ripoff!Ducain 11/20/04 5:42 a.m.
     You know...Snickles 11/19/04 10:56 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonKevin Bullock 11/19/04 11:25 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonTh3 Guns1inger 11/19/04 1:03 p.m.
     Re:(just add flames)Skavenger_s7 11/20/04 9:33 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ-hmmmvshields ash 11/20/04 12:53 p.m.
     I Enjoyed it!!!Reflux-Anarchy 11/22/04 11:31 a.m.
           Bungie.netMcSplatterGuts 11/22/04 11:36 a.m.
     Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lonUser 11/23/04 2:03 p.m.
     My long reply Re: My Thursday morning BBQEpyon 11/29/04 4:55 p.m.
     Re: YOU ARE SPOILED SIRAdham Nu'man 11/30/04 9:50 a.m.



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