Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon |
Posted By: Count Zero <countzero@bungie.org> | Date: 11/18/04 11:24 a.m. |
In Response To: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *long (Ducain)
: First, to me at least, this entire game (I'm talking storyline here) seems like an unecessary parenthesis : in the whole story. If you've played the first Halo, and you've read the Halo novels, it seems like it
: would be no problem at all to simply jump right to Halo 3 and forget that this game ever existed.
: There were very few revelations in this storyline, and it seems like the game ends precisely where I
: thought it was going to begin.
Actually, I thought the storyline was pretty good. To me, the first game was an unnecessary parenthesis to the first novel; it had the same problems you're complaining about in Halo 2. The entire build-up of the war against the Covenant was set aside for this stroll through the Halo, killing tons of enemies without any strategic victories or changes in the course of the war. At the end of the game, the universe is in the same state as it was at the start, minus one Halo, a Covenant fleet, and the crew of the PoA. This is not true in Halo 2- the storyline reveals a great deal more about the past and present situations, and starts to really go places in the latter third of the game (I'm just as disappointed with the ending as anyone else, but it doesn't ruin the other 99% of the game).
: I have SO much more to say, such as specifics about why I think the gameplay
: in Halo 2 is less fun than Halo 1, but I think I've said plenty enough
: already to get the Benedict Arnold treatment from the community, so I'm
: just gonna wrap this up.
I actually agree with most of what you said- all the tiny changes lost something that Halo 1 had. The new handling of the vehicles, the ability to jump higher, the increased ease and frequency of dying after your shields drop, the new melee attack method, the large numbers of airborne enemies, the hostile snipers, the levels more diligently forcing you to go through them in a limited number of designed ways, the vehicles that can be lost permanently, all add up to a subtly different flow than Halo 1. Of course, "not as good as Halo" still leaves a very good game.
A lot of things I listed there are just things that are different from what I'm used to in Halo 1, and it's likely they'll chafe less with time and adjusting habits and skills.
One of the major flaw with the SP game, for me, is the existence of multiple playable characters. In the first game, you were the chief, and he was you, and you were in the game. This was obviously important to Bungie as they took it into account for a lot of their decisions, such as never showing the Chief's face. In Halo 2, you are switched back and forth, at Bungie's whim between two entirely separate characters. You've been demoted from Chief to puppeteer. I understand *why* this decision was made, as it allowed for the exploration of Covenant society and the movie-style simultaneous intertwining story threads, but something visceral has been lost.
: Oh yeah! XBL on Halo 2 absolutely ROCKS!!!! I mean, WOW! That's probably
: going to be where my true enjoyment of this game occurs.
Exactly. XBL was the critical piece missing from Halo 1, especially for people who didn't want to bother with XBC. Halo 2 on XBL is going to be fun for months or years, just like single-player Halo 1 supplemented by the occasional lanparty was. This is where the game's longevity comes from, and it's what we'll be playing when the campaign is completely used up and forgotten, and I don't really have a problem with that. It's just different.
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My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *long | Ducain | 11/18/04 10:12 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *sp* | N1NJ4 | 11/18/04 10:29 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | ICDedPpl | 11/18/04 10:35 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | jazo | 11/18/04 10:43 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Ish | 11/18/04 10:46 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Gladius 1000 | 11/18/04 7:20 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Captain Spark | 11/18/04 10:50 a.m. |
Re: Me agrees *NM* | thunderhawk555 | 11/18/04 11:17 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Walshicus | 11/18/04 11:22 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Count Zero | 11/18/04 11:33 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Walshicus | 11/18/04 11:46 a.m. |
Er...bigass spoilers on this sub-thread? *NM* | Andrew Nagy | 11/18/04 12:56 p.m. |
More like the whole thread. *NM* | Andrew Nagy | 11/18/04 12:58 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | cyberg4 | 11/18/04 11:22 a.m. |
I must say, I was not disappointed... | stan | 11/18/04 9:34 p.m. |
Re: I must say, I was not disappointed...-more ear | the armsman | 11/19/04 1:24 a.m. |
Not really Bungie anymore. | Mangler | 11/29/04 4:27 p.m. |
Re: Not really Bungie anymore. | grunt killer | 11/29/04 4:31 p.m. |
Oh, please | Jillybean | 11/29/04 4:37 p.m. |
Re: WTHeck? | Wado SG | 11/29/04 5:31 p.m. |
OMG! My evil twin! ^^ *NM* *NM* | GruntKilla | 11/29/04 5:18 p.m. |
Re: Not really Bungie anymore. | Count Zero | 11/29/04 4:54 p.m. |
Re: Not really Bungie anymore. | Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) | 11/29/04 5:07 p.m. |
I'd have to agree FULLY! | SYSTEMS | 11/29/04 5:53 p.m. |
Re: Not really Bungie anymore. | Ross Mills [subnova] | 11/29/04 5:39 p.m. |
Re: Not really Bungie anymore. | Andrew Nagy | 11/29/04 7:14 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Count Zero | 11/18/04 11:24 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Warbinger | 11/18/04 11:41 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | E.T. the Extremely Tired | 11/18/04 11:56 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Sep7imus [subnova] | 11/18/04 2:55 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | E.T. the Extremely Tired | 11/18/04 3:48 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Druff | 11/18/04 5:23 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday afternoom BBQ | Pico | 11/18/04 1:39 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | FriendlyFire | 11/18/04 3:30 p.m. |
My reaction *sp* long | MC vince | 11/18/04 6:14 p.m. |
Re: My reaction *sp* long | Tarrsk | 11/18/04 7:08 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Cabanaguy25 | 11/18/04 11:36 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Walshicus | 11/18/04 11:55 a.m. |
A matter of preference? | Beoren | 11/18/04 1:49 p.m. |
Re: A matter of preference? | Micrometalus | 11/18/04 2:06 p.m. |
Re: Damn, now I'm hungry *SP* *long* | C Hunter X | 11/18/04 9:47 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | E1337 | 11/18/04 11:44 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Responsible Jon | 11/18/04 11:47 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Ish | 11/18/04 11:52 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Ty4Lom | 11/18/04 12:14 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | E1337 | 11/18/04 11:59 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Lothar Hex | 11/18/04 11:54 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Clefton Twain | 11/18/04 11:55 a.m. |
This is a great summary *opinion, spoilers* | gspawn | 11/18/04 11:55 a.m. |
Re: This is a great summary *opinion, spoilers* | Th3 Guns1inger | 11/19/04 1:55 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Druff | 11/18/04 11:57 a.m. |
I hesitantly, but wholeheartedly, agree *NM* | HK HUNTRKILLR | 11/18/04 12:01 p.m. |
How to respond.... | Saint [lpn] | 11/18/04 12:07 p.m. |
Oops... *SP* ^^ *NM* | Saint [lpn] | 11/18/04 12:08 p.m. |
Re: How to respond.... | ShadowRanger | 11/18/04 12:23 p.m. |
Re: How to respond.... | Narhl'Lar | 11/18/04 5:07 p.m. |
couldn't agree more *NM* *NM* | Mr_McMurder | 11/18/04 12:15 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Sep7imus [subnova] | 11/18/04 12:17 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | phlux | 11/18/04 12:50 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Ducain | 11/18/04 1:11 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Sep7imus [subnova] | 11/18/04 1:28 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Captain Spark | 11/18/04 1:30 p.m. |
Why what you feel is right...and why it will fade | Jamirus99 | 11/18/04 2:54 p.m. |
Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will f | Red Loser | 11/18/04 5:35 p.m. |
Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will f | wraith7n | 11/18/04 6:58 p.m. |
Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will f | vector40 | 11/29/04 6:17 p.m. |
Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will f | Djof | 11/29/04 8:49 p.m. |
Re: Why what you feel is right...and why it will f | Sep7imus [subnova] | 11/29/04 8:56 p.m. |
Stfu, nub. :) *NM* | Blitzwolf | 11/29/04 3:41 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | sKribbler | 11/18/04 1:06 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Clefton Twain | 11/18/04 1:11 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | sKribbler | 11/18/04 1:24 p.m. |
Bring your own flames... *SP* | axman | 11/18/04 2:46 p.m. |
Re: Bring your own flames... *SP* | klurejr | 11/18/04 4:59 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Th3 Guns1inger | 11/19/04 2:11 a.m. |
I also can't agree more | Phatcorns | 11/18/04 12:25 p.m. |
Text is too small | poena.dare (not.dead.yet) | 11/18/04 1:07 p.m. |
Re: Text is too small I AGREE | wraith7n | 11/18/04 7:02 p.m. |
Re: Text is too small I AGREE | ragereset | 11/20/04 4:35 p.m. |
A game is only new once. | ragereset | 11/18/04 1:24 p.m. |
Re: A game is only new once. | sKribbler | 11/18/04 1:29 p.m. |
Re: A game is only new once. | Druff | 11/18/04 1:40 p.m. |
Re: A game is only new once. | sKribbler | 11/18/04 1:44 p.m. |
Re: A game is only new once. | Druff | 11/18/04 1:46 p.m. |
Totally agreed *NM* | fartman | 11/18/04 1:29 p.m. |
Re: Foundation: Marathon | Dr. Blake | 11/18/04 1:41 p.m. |
Marathon, Halo, Hardware sales | Kanen Faud'r | 11/18/04 6:40 p.m. |
Holy crap... | Louis Wu | 11/18/04 8:13 p.m. |
Re: Holy crap... | Kanen Faud'r | 11/18/04 10:15 p.m. |
Re: Bungie's next project? | ThorsHammer | 11/19/04 12:40 a.m. |
My feelings exactly... | Someone | 11/18/04 1:44 p.m. |
Another agreement and some more opinions | Micrometalus | 11/18/04 1:59 p.m. |
Re: Another agreement and some more opinions | Micrometalus | 11/18/04 2:01 p.m. |
If you can spoil lack of an ending, then *SP* | sKribbler | 11/18/04 2:12 p.m. |
Re: If you can spoil lack of an ending, then *SP* | HK HUNTRKILLR | 11/18/04 3:25 p.m. |
I'll agree, with a note about music | Dalan Galma | 11/18/04 4:24 p.m. |
Re: Another agreement and some more opinions | wraith7n | 11/18/04 7:06 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | XLNC | 11/18/04 2:00 p.m. |
OMG U n00b H4L0 2 is t3h suXX00rz!!!111one | retsamolah | 11/18/04 2:07 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Zaknafein | 11/18/04 2:28 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Xenos | 11/18/04 2:30 p.m. |
More fuel for the flames. And who's fault is it? | Infantier | 11/18/04 2:31 p.m. |
Re: More fuel for the flames. And who's fault is i | Fire | 11/18/04 2:52 p.m. |
Re: More fuel for the flames. And who's fault is i | godfath3r24 | 11/18/04 3:04 p.m. |
Conspiracy Theory | term | 11/18/04 2:57 p.m. |
Re: Conspiracy Theory? Yes Indeed! | Spartan39 | 11/18/04 3:08 p.m. |
Conspiracy Theory Evidence? | term | 11/19/04 1:38 p.m. |
I agree *spoilers* | Sith | 11/18/04 3:14 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) (SP) | number302079 | 11/18/04 3:23 p.m. |
Another point of view, for your consideration | Gil-Galahad | 11/18/04 3:24 p.m. |
Re: Another point of view, for your consideration | Ducain | 11/18/04 4:14 p.m. |
*SP*, huge *SP* - even Star Wars *SP*'s | E.T. the Extremely Tired | 11/18/04 4:59 p.m. |
I feel the same way, thanks for standing up *NM* | marleybadger | 11/18/04 3:30 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | xSIVELx | 11/18/04 3:45 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Moose | 11/18/04 4:10 p.m. |
-_- | Sanj | 11/18/04 3:53 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Johnnie H. | 11/18/04 3:58 p.m. |
Agree and Disagree *spoilers* | Stanford101 | 11/18/04 3:59 p.m. |
In conclusion, happy | SiLvEr | 11/18/04 4:05 p.m. |
Re: Agree and Disagree *spoilers* | Captain Spark | 11/18/04 4:57 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Darkshot | 11/18/04 4:02 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | AllAmerican | 11/18/04 4:14 p.m. |
Ooooooooooh DISAGREE!!!!! (some spoilers) | Jillybean | 11/18/04 4:16 p.m. |
Re: Ooooooooooh DISAGREE!!!!! (some spoilers) | Pico | 11/18/04 4:49 p.m. |
theereaze | Ducain | 11/18/04 4:54 p.m. |
Re: theereaze | Jillybean | 11/18/04 5:00 p.m. |
Okay - I have a theory | Jillybean | 11/18/04 4:58 p.m. |
Re: Okay - I have a theory (good theory!) | Pico | 11/18/04 6:25 p.m. |
Re: Okay - I have a theory | Rampant Cowboy | 11/18/04 6:51 p.m. |
Re: Okay - I have a theory | FuzzyWhisper | 11/18/04 7:08 p.m. |
Re: Okay - I have a theory | BOLL | 11/19/04 6:27 a.m. |
Only maybe? | Jillybean | 11/19/04 8:03 a.m. |
Re: Only maybe? | BOLL | 11/19/04 1:55 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | FuzzyWhisper | 11/18/04 4:18 p.m. |
More of my Thoughts (Minor *SP*) | Moose | 11/18/04 4:28 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Vadcol | 11/18/04 4:22 p.m. |
My Thursday evening opinion-soup. *SP* | Chester the Destroyer | 11/18/04 4:28 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | klurejr | 11/18/04 4:31 p.m. |
Yes, Unfortunatly | BlueWizard | 11/18/04 4:54 p.m. |
Notice How Bungie is Quite??? | Vadcol | 11/18/04 5:18 p.m. |
check yo facts! yo! | FrogBlast | 11/18/04 5:28 p.m. |
people | grunt killer | 11/29/04 4:29 p.m. |
Re: people | Mr. Mister | 11/29/04 5:02 p.m. |
Re: people | Gladius Dei | 11/29/04 5:15 p.m. |
Re: people | 343winks | 11/29/04 5:39 p.m. |
AMEN! Couldn't have said it better myself! *NM* | Eric Smith | 11/18/04 4:56 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | JHG | 11/18/04 5:16 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Lysergicide | 11/18/04 5:26 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) * | Dee23 | 11/18/04 5:39 p.m. |
What I think of halo 2 | timboh56 | 11/18/04 5:45 p.m. |
Negative Remark/Opinion About Halo 2 | Kinotrica M | 11/18/04 6:25 p.m. |
Re: Negative Remark/Opinion About Halo 2 | Narhl'Lar | 11/18/04 6:45 p.m. |
Did I miss something? | FuzzyWhisper | 11/18/04 7:01 p.m. |
Re: Negative Remark/Opinion About Halo 2 | timboh56 | 11/18/04 7:59 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | wraith7n | 11/18/04 6:36 p.m. |
Thursday night BBQ*SP* | FrogBlast | 11/18/04 6:39 p.m. |
Hear, hear. Couldn't agree more. *NM* | FuzzyWhisper | 11/18/04 7:04 p.m. |
But think about how long halo 3 will be. | Hawaiian Pig | 11/18/04 8:35 p.m. |
All The More Strategy | jewelskull | 11/18/04 6:54 p.m. |
Has anyone played Halo 2 and NOT Halo 1? | wangboy | 11/18/04 7:45 p.m. |
Ash Offerings *SP* | Socrates | 11/18/04 7:55 p.m. |
I ASOLUTELY AGREE *NM* | wood the great | 11/18/04 8:00 p.m. |
You're absolutely right *Spoilers* | Toby Dillman | 11/18/04 8:37 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Rockhard | 11/18/04 8:43 p.m. |
Unfortunately, you're right. *SP?* *semi-long.* | Coleus | 11/18/04 8:45 p.m. |
Whoops! | Coleus | 11/18/04 9:08 p.m. |
Re: Unfortunately, you're right. *SP?* *semi-long. | Rockhard | 11/18/04 9:17 p.m. |
Re: Unfortunately, you're right. *SP?* *semi-long. | Tarrsk | 11/18/04 11:20 p.m. |
Warning, uninformed opinion within | Andrew Nagy | 11/19/04 6:42 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Gladius Dei | 11/18/04 9:01 p.m. |
I don't agree... | stan | 11/18/04 9:16 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Gunny343 | 11/18/04 10:08 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Cody Danna | 11/18/04 10:30 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | FuzzyWhisper | 11/19/04 4:28 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Th3 Guns1inger | 11/19/04 2:32 p.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | RvB Church 117 | 11/19/04 9:10 p.m. |
Re: halo is nothing like Halo 2 | RvB Church 117 | 11/18/04 10:48 p.m. |
Re: Do you not remember? *sp | Dark_Angel | 11/19/04 8:59 a.m. |
hehe | Ducain | 11/19/04 9:29 a.m. |
Halo 3? | haloplyr | 11/19/04 10:23 a.m. |
Well, considering Halo 2's ending... | FuzzyWhisper | 11/19/04 1:39 p.m. |
Dark Angel is, like, a ripoff! *NM* | Andrew Nagy | 11/19/04 2:03 p.m. |
Re: Dark Angel is, like, a ripoff! | Dark_Angel | 11/20/04 1:37 a.m. |
Re: Dark Angel is, like, a ripoff! | Ducain | 11/20/04 5:42 a.m. |
You know... | Snickles | 11/19/04 10:56 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Kevin Bullock | 11/19/04 11:25 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | Th3 Guns1inger | 11/19/04 1:03 p.m. |
Re:(just add flames) | Skavenger_s7 | 11/20/04 9:33 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ-hmmm | vshields ash | 11/20/04 12:53 p.m. |
I Enjoyed it!!! | Reflux-Anarchy | 11/22/04 11:31 a.m. |
Bungie.net | McSplatterGuts | 11/22/04 11:36 a.m. |
Re: My Thursday morning BBQ (just add flames) *lon | User | 11/23/04 2:03 p.m. |
My long reply Re: My Thursday morning BBQ | Epyon | 11/29/04 4:55 p.m. |
Re: YOU ARE SPOILED SIR | Adham Nu'man | 11/30/04 9:50 a.m. |