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Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summa
Posted By: Viscily II <arenjinix@yahoo.com>Date: 8/24/04 5:33 a.m.

In Response To: Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summa (King_Slug)

: I did write a nice add-on to this theory but annoying it didn't seem to post
: so here i go again but a bit shorter.
: On the halo being visited in Halo 2 being 04 again.
: This does seem quite possible as on level "343 guilty spark" as you
: approach the building containing the Flood you see a load of covenent
: retreating from an unseen force. Curious. Now although this level
: introduces the Flood I'm sure it was not The Flood that are firing at the
: covenent, reasons
: 1. At this stage in the game the Flood don't seem to have mastered the used
: of firearms and unless my memory is playing don't fire guns until you are
: outside in the swamp again. ( I could be wrong about this though).
: 2. In every encounter with the Flood, the Flood chase after their enemies.
: The only other force that can cause the covenent to retreat are the spartans
: and human forces however humans tend to suffer lots of casualties when
: facing the covenent and there are no human bodies in the room when you
: enter.
: When you enter you also see that the lift(elevator) has just been used by
: someone/s/something. After reading the "time loop" theory I'm
: inclined to believe that it was a spartan or spartans that forced the
: covenent into retreat. Whether the spartan was the MC or another spartan
: remains to be seen( personally I think MC).

Hmmm, couldn't it also be the marines that you encounter towards the end of that level? Remember that large group of Marines that you find after you take the last elevator? That seems to make perfect sense to me, but this whole "MC goes back to 04" thing is quite tantalizing. I'm curious, have you seen the pelican glitch on this level? Right at the begining of the level (right as the pelican is about to drop you off), begin chucking plasma grenades like crazy. When executed properly, the pelican can take you somewhat close to where the Covenant are retreating. If you drop down in time, you can see that there are a bunch of assault rifles just floating in the air and firing at the Covies! Then the guns vanish into thin air. I don't think you can get to the elevator before its used however. Whoever is shooting at the Covies, we obviously weren't meant to see them.

: Another thing I'm wondering
: about is the crazed marine you find, now I know the marine is scared and
: seems crazy but no matter how crazy a spartan does not look like the Flood
: so why shoot at him?. he could be there just for atmosphere but then maybe
: hes more than that. If a spartan was in the building what were they doing
: in there?

Not sure where you were going with this, but it seems like you're implying that the Marine had perhaps encountered the supposed group of Spartans or perhaps the other MC.

: One problem with this theory, if it was the MC who was in the building before
: you(or maybe after) then why does 343 greet the MC as though he has not
: met him before?
: Personally I think the "time loop" theory is fantastic but i guess
: we'll have to wait for Halo 2 for the answers.

Given the scenario that the MC and/or a group of Spartans were the ones shooting at the Covies, why doesn't anything change? If they were there, then they were there for a purpose. Whatever that purpose is/was, wouldn't it have something to do with changing the course of events that you play through in Halo? My question is, why does everything still go the way it would have gone (or the way it already went?) if the MC (the one you play as in the game) didn't know anything about the Flood, Halo, 343 GS? Don't you think something would have been different as a result of whatever actions these mysterious shooters took? The events in Halo are established as the original events that took place (I presume this to be the case since Halo is destroyed before anyone encounters the time warping object on Reach). But if those individuals shooting at the Covies were indeed a group of Spartans (with/without MC), then wouldn't that mean that what you play through in Halo is merely one loop in this whole time loop thing?

Why else would they be there?

A possible answer I just thought of: what if those were Spartans, but their presence there had nothing to do with time warping? In this case, the core of Metatron's theory (time travel) might not apply. However, his theory as to the whereabouts of those 30 "dead" Spartans, Dr. Halsey's motives, and that S-III file would definitely still apply. What if Halsey already knew about Halo? It doesn't seem that improbable to me considering that we have no clue as to how many black op's Halsey has been involed in, or how long ONI has known about the Covenant. She could have had her 30 dead Spartans go to Halo to do something. Exactly what, I really don't know. One possible hole in this scenario could be this: if Halsey knew about Halo, then why did she wait until the events that transpired in the game to send her Spartans on that mission? In order to begin to answer that question, we would have to know how long Halsey has known about Halo, and, perhaps more importantly, what she knew about Halo prior to the events of the game. Other questions: how did Halsey communicate with the Spartans if she was basically stuck underneath Reach while the MC was fighting the Flood on Halo? Where were the Spartans prior to being on Halo? How did these Spartans manage to infiltrate and exfiltrate the structure without coming into contact with the other Marines? Did Halsey know about the events that took place during the game as they were occuring? If so, how?

I think that its important to remember that the theory that makes the most sense regarding the identity of those mysterious shooters is that they were the Spartans you encounter toward the end of the level, as I mentioned above. One problem with this theory, however (and as pointed out by King_Slug), is that there don't seem to be any human casualties in that battle with the Covenant. What seems even more puzzling to me is that the Covies are actually running away from these shooters. Why would so many of them just run away from a group of about 4/5 Marines?

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The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summary aMetatron 8/19/04 2:34 p.m.
     Longest Post... EVER! *NM*WildMonkeys 8/19/04 2:39 p.m.
           Re: Very interesting must read^^^Mantis819 8/19/04 3:07 p.m.
                 Re: The theory is..Noctaurus 8/19/04 3:45 p.m.
                       Re: The theory is..Metatron 8/19/04 4:07 p.m.
                 Re: Very interesting must read^^^Assault on the Bathroom 8/19/04 3:45 p.m.
                       Re: Very interesting must read^^^Saint 8/19/04 3:47 p.m.
                             Re: Very interesting must read^^^Assault on the Bathroom 8/19/04 3:48 p.m.
                                   Excuse me.Saint 8/19/04 3:54 p.m.
                                         Re: Excuse me.Assault on the Bathroom 8/19/04 3:57 p.m.
                                               Look.Saint 8/19/04 4:01 p.m.
                                                     Re: Look.Assault on the Bathroom 8/19/04 4:05 p.m.
                                                           Re: Look.Saint 8/19/04 4:09 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Look.chaotic_mind 8/19/04 5:07 p.m.
                       Re: Very interesting must read^^^Metatron 8/19/04 4:05 p.m.
                       Re: Very interesting must read^^^Oldbean 8/19/04 4:35 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaAin Soph Aur 8/19/04 3:10 p.m.
           Very good theory , A MUST read *NM* *NM*Invictus 8/19/04 3:46 p.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/19/04 4:03 p.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaE.T. the Extremely Tired 8/22/04 11:10 a.m.
                       Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/22/04 10:14 p.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summayakaman 8/19/04 5:54 p.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/19/04 6:27 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMantis819 8/19/04 3:10 p.m.
     good theory, some holes, however. *NM*insaneidiot432 8/19/04 3:34 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaNeo-genesis 8/19/04 3:51 p.m.
     Explain what the holes in this are:) *NM*Metatron 8/19/04 4:17 p.m.
           Just when I thought "I" had it figured out.Dando7 8/19/04 4:58 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summayakaman 8/19/04 5:47 p.m.
           Wonderful theory, worth a read *NM*Wiggum 8/19/04 6:23 p.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaJAGUAR2G 8/25/04 3:35 p.m.
     Awesome, but...Marcus 8/19/04 7:12 p.m.
     50 first dates - HSP Rocks!Wado SG 8/19/04 8:00 p.m.
           Re: 50 first dates - HSP Rocks!mnemesis 8/19/04 8:54 p.m.
                 Re: 50 first dates - HSP Rocks!Metatron 8/19/04 11:21 p.m.
                       Re: 50 first dates - HSP Rocks!mnemesis 8/19/04 11:42 p.m.
                             Re: 50 first dates - HSP Rocks!Metatron 8/20/04 12:44 a.m.
                                   Re: 50 first dates - HSP Rocks!Wado SG 8/20/04 12:58 a.m.
                             Re: 50 first dates - HSP Rocks!Metatron 8/20/04 12:56 a.m.
                                   Re: Riders in the Storm - HSP Rocks!Wado SG 8/20/04 1:10 a.m.
                                         Re: Riders in the Storm - HSP Rocks!Metatron 8/20/04 1:21 a.m.
                                               Re: Touched by an Angel - HSP Rocks!Wado SG 8/20/04 12:25 p.m.
                                                     Re: Touched by an Angel - HSP Rocks!Metatron 8/20/04 1:32 p.m.
                                                           Re: Touched by an Angel - HSP Rocks!Wado SG 8/20/04 5:08 p.m.
                                                     Re: Touched by an Angel - HSP Rocks!117-er 8/20/04 1:34 p.m.
                                                           Re: Touched by an Angel - HSP Rocks!Metatron 8/20/04 1:55 p.m.
                                                                 Your 'slip' is showingPsycoJoe 8/22/04 1:24 a.m.
                 Re: 50 first dates - HSP Rocks!Jagged 8/20/04 11:45 p.m.
     Well thought out and executed - Awesome stuff!Obakemono 8/19/04 8:11 p.m.
     small possible problem with your theoryTar 8/19/04 8:52 p.m.
           Re: small possible problem with your theorymnemesis 8/19/04 9:02 p.m.
                 However...Saint 8/19/04 9:55 p.m.
                       Re: However...Metatron 8/19/04 11:07 p.m.
                             Re: However...Saint 8/20/04 7:33 a.m.
                                   Re: However...Metatron 8/20/04 1:18 p.m.
                                         Re: However...Saint 8/20/04 11:10 p.m.
                                               Re: However...Metatron 8/21/04 12:00 a.m.
           Re: small possible problem with your theoryMetatron 8/19/04 11:04 p.m.
           Re: small possible problem with your theoryMetatron 8/19/04 11:12 p.m.
                 Re: small possible problem with your theoryxal 8/20/04 4:36 p.m.
                       Re: small possible problem with your theoryMetatron 8/20/04 5:12 p.m.
     Problem with spartan deaths......alstrong 8/20/04 8:20 a.m.
           Re: Problem with spartan deaths......Metatron 8/20/04 1:13 p.m.
                 Re: Problem with spartan deaths......alstrong 8/20/04 3:30 p.m.
                       Re: Problem with spartan deaths......Metatron 8/20/04 3:35 p.m.
                             Re: Problem with spartan deaths......alstrong 8/20/04 3:59 p.m.
                                   Re: Problem with spartan deaths......Energizer 8/20/04 4:31 p.m.
                                   Re: Problem with spartan deaths......Metatron 8/20/04 5:10 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMichael M. 8/20/04 3:25 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summa *NM*King_Slug 8/20/04 4:19 p.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaKing_Slug 8/20/04 4:43 p.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/20/04 5:21 p.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMC vince 8/21/04 2:28 p.m.
                       Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaE.T. the Extremely Tired 8/22/04 4:38 p.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaViscily II 8/24/04 5:33 a.m.
                       Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaViscily II 8/24/04 5:45 a.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaJagged 8/20/04 4:37 p.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/20/04 5:24 p.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaJagged 8/20/04 10:03 p.m.
                       Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/21/04 12:06 a.m.
                             Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaJagged 8/21/04 2:57 p.m.
                                   Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/21/04 4:28 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaJamirus99 8/20/04 5:48 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summa117-er 8/20/04 6:27 p.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/20/04 6:35 p.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summa117-er 8/20/04 6:40 p.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaRedFox34 8/20/04 7:42 p.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summa117-er 8/20/04 10:08 p.m.
     Re: A small detail, perhaps of interest.ajenteks 8/20/04 6:35 p.m.
           Re: A small detail, perhaps of interest.Jagged 8/20/04 11:11 p.m.
           Re: A small detail, perhaps of interest.Carver 9/3/04 9:23 p.m.
     OMG u released Halo Too's Stori!!11!!!one!1 *NM*r3c0nxiii 8/20/04 7:40 p.m.
     Awesome.Exogenesis 8/20/04 8:14 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summatsuranuku 8/20/04 8:27 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summa343winks 8/20/04 8:44 p.m.
           Does this mean Keyes might return, :D? *NM*serpx 8/20/04 8:53 p.m.
                 Re: Does this mean Keyes might return, :D?343winks 8/20/04 9:41 p.m.
     Slight Problem....I think.....Sean-118 8/20/04 9:47 p.m.
           Re: Slight Problem....I think.....Metatron 8/20/04 9:57 p.m.
                 Re: Slight Problem....I think.....Sean-118 8/20/04 10:02 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaBroodwich 8/20/04 11:35 p.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/20/04 11:59 p.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaAginor 8/21/04 1:24 a.m.
                       Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaHk_Symbiont 8/21/04 1:40 a.m.
                             Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/21/04 4:41 a.m.
                                   Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaAginor 8/21/04 6:17 a.m.
                                         Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/21/04 4:49 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaHk_Symbiont 8/21/04 2:31 a.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaAginor 8/21/04 3:20 a.m.
                 Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaAginor 8/21/04 3:23 a.m.
                       My...three bits?YamiyoNaito 8/21/04 4:13 a.m.
                             Ouch, sorry for the eyesore *NM* *NM*YamiyoNaito 8/21/04 4:16 a.m.
                             Re: My...three bits?Metatron 8/21/04 4:51 a.m.
                                   Re: My...three bits?Metatron 8/21/04 5:03 a.m.
                       Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/21/04 4:49 a.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 8/21/04 4:45 a.m.
     Do you understand THIS concept?Metatron 8/21/04 4:33 a.m.
           interesting, but half-unintelligible.......theda 8/21/04 2:59 p.m.
                 Re: interesting, but half-unintelligible.......Metatron 8/21/04 4:07 p.m.
                       Re: interesting, but half-unintelligible.......Hk_Symbiont 8/21/04 5:16 p.m.
                             Re: interesting, but half-unintelligible.......Metatron 8/21/04 5:21 p.m.
                                   Re: interesting, but half-unintelligible.......Jagged 8/23/04 6:31 p.m.
                                         Re: interesting, but half-unintelligible.......Metatron 8/23/04 6:35 p.m.
                                               Re: interesting, but half-unintelligible.......Jagged 8/24/04 5:15 p.m.
                       Re: interesting, but half-unintelligible.......Louis Wu 8/21/04 6:27 p.m.
                             Re: interesting, but half-unintelligible.......Metatron 8/21/04 9:01 p.m.
           Re: Do you understand THIS concept?343winks 8/21/04 6:32 p.m.
                 Re: Do you understand THIS concept?DarkScorpio 8/22/04 2:11 a.m.
                       Re: Do you understand THIS concept?Metatron 8/22/04 2:32 a.m.
                       Re: Do you understand THIS concept?Metatron 8/22/04 2:46 a.m.
                             Like this?Nickk 8/22/04 7:36 a.m.
                                   Re: Like this?DarkScorpio 8/22/04 12:29 p.m.
                                         Re: Like this?DarkScorpio 8/22/04 1:35 p.m.
                                         Re: Like this?Nickk 8/23/04 2:56 a.m.
                       Re: Do you understand THIS concept?343winks 8/22/04 2:59 a.m.
                             Re: Do you understand THIS concept?Dando7 8/22/04 1:39 p.m.
                                   Re: Do you understand THIS concept?Energizer 8/22/04 4:40 p.m.
           Howz a Bowz Dis?Dando7 8/22/04 12:33 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaJoshua Pettigrew 8/22/04 9:27 p.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaDarkScorpio 8/22/04 10:05 p.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (Summa117-er 8/23/04 1:16 a.m.
           Coincidence, or Deja Vu?Metatron 8/23/04 4:59 p.m.
                 Re: Coincidence, or Deja Vu?117-er 8/25/04 6:17 p.m.
     Very Cool. but I disagree with the time loop partpile o' nades 8/25/04 10:19 a.m.
     two betrayalsgeorgeharthalo 8/25/04 2:19 p.m.
           Re: two betrayals, is it?vshields ash 8/25/04 3:42 p.m.
                 well u knowgeorgeharthalo 8/26/04 11:31 a.m.
     Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaDavid Vacher 9/3/04 9:28 a.m.
           I am looking forward to...theda 9/3/04 10:23 a.m.
                 Re: I am looking forward to...Pak 9/3/04 10:40 a.m.
                       Re: I am looking forward to...MikeMan445 9/3/04 12:04 p.m.
                             Re: I am looking forward to...cam 9/3/04 11:58 p.m.
                                   Re: I am looking forward to...Metatron 9/4/04 12:15 a.m.
           Re: The Theory that Starts a NEW Discussion (SummaMetatron 9/3/04 4:48 p.m.
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