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Re: Giants? The Nephilim?
Posted By: Wado SGDate: 4/24/04 2:34 a.m.

In Response To: Giants? The Nephilim? (Red Loser)

: Hmmm...it's all coming together now. The following Bible passage takes place
: before the flood: Genesis 6:1-8 (ESV)

: 6:1When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born
: to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive.
: And they took as their wives any they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My
: Spirit shall not abide in [1] man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall
: be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim [2] were on the earth in those days, and
: also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and
: they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the
: men of renown.

: 5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
: every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6
: And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved
: him to his heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have
: created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and
: birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah
: found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

: Footnotes
: [1] 6:3 Or My Spirit shall not contend with
: [2] 6:4 Or giants

: This passage is somewhat contended by Bible scholars; the phrase "sons
: of God" refers to angels when used in the book of Job, which would go
: along with the interpretation we see here. Others think that this simply
: refers to godly men marrying women from ungodly families and thus being
: morally corrupted. But since that doesn't help us out much, we'll toss it.
: (Also, the passage seems to distinguish the "sons of God" from
: men.)

: Notice that footnote (2) identifies their offspring, the Nephilim, as
: "giants." This fits in well with this post-flood passage, which
: occurs when the nation of Israel is spying out the future land of Canaan:
: Numbers 13:32-33 (ESV)

: 32 So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they
: had spied out, saying, “The land, through which we have gone to spy it
: out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we
: saw in it are of great height. 33 And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons
: of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like
: grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

: So we can see that the Nephilim are indeed "giants" (Cortana
: letters, anyone?). Apparently they also exist after the flood as well as
: before (those angels don't give up, do they?).

: Now, presumably these are fallen angels. In fact, the noncanonical (i.e.
: mostly forged) Book of Enoch elaborates on this. There's a lot there, so
: I recommend reading beginning in chapter 6 .

Nice one. I knew you would pick up on the giant stuff. I too remembered the Cortana Letters, but I left stuff out as to not go too far on a tangent.

Some interesting discussions.

Let's not forget what 343 GUILTY SPARK said:

"You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating."

OUR lost time, like 343 Guilty Spark had been there with humans from the beginning, and somewhere along the way, he lost track of us. Fork Me With A Spoon, in another post in this thread, eluded to Forerunners as being part flesh and part machine. I was waiting for more on this.

We have no history to fall back on, to say one way or another what the origins of humans are in the Halo Universe, in the Halo Novels. We have only the facts that some AI's are named after swords and some named after angels. Names can be changed, but personalities don't change all that much. The names seem to fit the personalities. Why would an AI guarding the DNA files of the Spartans be named after a fallen Angel who gave man the knowledge of husbandry (genetics)?

The Covenant seem to be following some divine sequence of events, from where do the Prophets know what these events will be? It is like some of the key players are all reading the same script of events to come and purposely trying to make them happen, only then to change things at the end to defy fate.

So what of AI constructs named after angels? Could and would an AI construct, that is named after an angel, wear a Halo? Halo meaning an artificial ring world created by the Great Ones, the Forerunner.

Could AI constructs of the past been the fallen angels, mixing with flesh to create cyborgs? Could they have become the Prophets? Sure the Prophets call us demons, but maybe they are the demons. They fly on machines. Perhaps it is the Prophets that were or are to be the Nephilim.

And what is the core, and why should a construct not be in it? Many safeguards were created on Installation 04 that apparently were designed to prevent a construct from siezing all of Halo. But then again, Cortana got into the core quite easily.

Too many rambling thoughts for now...


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                       Re: Trautmann!Eric Trautmann 4/19/04 4:48 p.m.
                             Ding-Ding- Ding! Woohoo! *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 4/19/04 5:39 p.m.
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                                               Re: meh....Dylan 4/20/04 2:36 p.m.
                             Maybe...Michael M. 4/20/04 6:47 p.m.
                                   Typo... typo... typo... *NM*Michael M. 4/20/04 6:59 p.m.
                       Re: Trautmann! - FS spoilersWado SG 4/20/04 2:33 a.m.
                             Looks good to me! *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 4/20/04 2:46 a.m.
                             Now THIS get's you thinkingFriendlyFire 4/20/04 8:42 a.m.
                                   ^^^^Ignore this one...Messed up HTML :( *NM*FriendlyFire 4/20/04 8:45 a.m.
                             Now THIS get's you thinkingFriendlyFire 4/20/04 8:44 a.m.
                                   To continue...FriendlyFire 4/20/04 9:19 a.m.
                                   Re: Now THIS get's you thinkingRed Loser 4/20/04 12:53 p.m.
                                         Re: Now THIS get's you thinkingEric Trautmann 4/23/04 6:29 p.m.
                             Giants? The Nephilim?Red Loser 4/20/04 1:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Giants? The Nephilim?Wado SG 4/24/04 2:34 a.m.
                                         Re: Giants? The Nephilim?Gre'Thor117 4/24/04 3:02 a.m.
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           Re: Trautmann!Eric Trautmann 4/19/04 4:54 p.m.
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                       Re: soo...Stian M 4/20/04 5:34 a.m.
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                       Re: what this makes ME think about it all....Steve 4/20/04 8:01 p.m.
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                             Re: what this makes ME think about it all....P3,FOYFN 4/20/04 9:06 p.m.
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                       Re: what this makes ME think about it all....Red Loser 4/20/04 5:38 p.m.
                             The Cole ProtocolP3,FOYFN 4/20/04 6:38 p.m.
                                   Re: The Cole ProtocolRed Loser 4/20/04 7:56 p.m.
                                         Re: The Cole ProtocolP3,FOYFN 4/20/04 8:37 p.m.
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           Re: what this makes ME think about it all....Shikei 4/20/04 9:27 p.m.
                 Re: what this makes ME think about it all....Eric Trautmann 4/23/04 7:43 p.m.
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                       Re: what this makes ME think about it all....Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 4/23/04 9:49 p.m.
                       who wears a halo *OT*daedalus 4/27/04 8:55 a.m.
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